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[–] 157 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It'll take a while, but I do believe we're watching the downfall of Twitter.

And I suspect, now that Bluesky is the clear successor to Twitter, the process will only accelerate.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Give it 6 months and then musky's well funded administration will find a way to make bluesky feel the legal crunch

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (51 children)

    Could bluesky have won over Mastodon because of the fediverse barrier where people doesn't know which server to choose?

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  • [–] 96 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Bluesky is being run by a funded professional startup team and is aimed at the masses. Mastodon is run by activists and software devs and brings in other like minded folks.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Bluesky has an advertising budget. Bluesky has an entire team just working on User Interface.

    The fact that people are so lazy that they keep going for the corporate-sure-to-enshittify options shows how little people actually care about escaping corporate control of their lives.

    "It's not my job to contribute to a community project" is just another way to say "it's not my job to make the world a better place."

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    It's generally easier for the layperson to pay a gym membership than it is to have the upfront cost of a barbell set and coordinating a schedule with their neighbor who owns a treadmill.

    I don't want to sound too pro-corporate, I just don't want to fault others when they fall for the veneer of a "cohesive product." It takes a lot of work to organize a community project and why it's so special when they do come together.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    The fact that people are so lazy that they keep going for the corporate-sure-to-enshittify options shows how little people actually care about escaping corporate control of their lives.

    It's not that deep.

    People want to go where other people are. A tiny minority of them are even aware of the things that are influencing your decisions. Not a single moment is spent thinking about whether X or Y is more 'corporately controlled' before deciding to join a new platform.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Most importantly, Mastodon doesn't have the funding. It always astounds me how people miss that part.

    Money lets you fix a lot of problems. Not all. But many.

    Of course, it doesn't mean they'll succeed. Google+ had lots of money, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ugh, Google+ was so much better than Facebook. The whole circles concept was a game changer for social media that no one else has really adopted in a meaningful way. Half the reason millennials began to leave Facebook was not wanting their parents seeing what they're posting, so being able to decide which group can see a particular post was an awesome idea.

    Sadly it just never got the adoption

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

    I use both. I've been on Mastodon for the better part of a year and only actively tried Bluesky the last couple months. My Bluesky feed is thriving, whereas Mastodon not so much. IMO this is due to Mastodon is missing the major quality of life features of Bluesky.

    • Add lists
    • Subscribable block lists
    • Custom subscribable topic feeds
    • Optional recommendation engine

    These things make Bluesky very easy to get started with and more powerful even than Xitter was. It's simply a better product if you have any requirements other than federation. Getting a good feed up and running doesn't take more than an hour or two. Mastodon is a lot more work.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (9 children)
    1. That was part of the reason. I tried explaining Pixelfed to my photographer dad and he completely lost interest when I mentioned instances and equated them to e-mail providers. Non-technical people don't like having to understand a technical aspect, and the nature of federation can't be avoided.

    2. Keep in mind that these are the people who stayed on Twitter after it was infested by the musk. They're leaving because it's turned into a dogshit service, not because of any kind of moral stance. They won't choose one service over another because it's libre or decentralized or community-operated. They'll flock to one that has a low entry barrier and high population.

    3. Speaking of which: Bluesky is where the people are. The merits of a social media provider are worthless if it has a fraction of the population of a direct competitor.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    We should just point normal people to the biggest instance and never mention anything until they're settled in.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I think it was mostly that Mastodon wouldn't send referer headers.

    So when people look at where their traffic comes from, 50% would be unknown, 20% would be Twitter, 10% would be Bluesky, and most importantly, Mastodon would never show on that report.

    (Numbers made up and inaccurate.)

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    Who cares...it's just changing one shitpile for the next soon-to-be shitpile. Bluesky will inevitably go down the shitter too once its users have enough inertia to keep them there as they squeeze them dry.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Twitter isn't falling due to not being open source, or not being decentralized, or any of the other reasons I've heard people advocate for mastodon.

    People are leaving twitter because it has gone fully right wing in politics. Twitter will not "fail" in the traditional sense. Twitter will fall, but not fail.

    Twitter will be the right wing conspiracy platform.

    Bluesky will be what twitter was 5 years ago for the left wing.

    Nothing else has changed. This isn't a rebellion against corporate social media. This isn't meant to be a fediverse uprising. None of that is happening. This is nothing more than Mary, and Beth who voted for Harris wanting to use twitter how they used to, without right wing agenda being added to their twitter feed. Which is exactly what bluesky is. A twitter clone without the racists.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    Bluesky is at least semi-decentralized, however, though not to the same extent as something like Mastodon

    I'd also argue that Twitter is also uniquely bad even among other problematic platforms

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Bluesky is at least semi-decentralized

    No it isn't, this is marketing and until the developers actually put their money where their mouth is and provide the genuine capacity for decentralization (not just along some narrow technical definition but actually decentralized in practice) this is pure marketing hype that you absolutely shouldn't trust until you are given indisputable proof and then you should still be skeptical because they can always pull the rug out from under you.

    Bluesky is open source yes, but what they are talking about is the CLIENT side of Bluesky, the actual system is dependent upon proprietary code that is most definitely not open source.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    If nothing else I will personally find it very funny if Elon Musk spent $44,000,000,000 on something and then unintentionally destroyed it in just three years

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The Saudis footed the bill for most of that $44bn - most is only out of pocket about $10bn of it iirc.

    Fwiw he didn't actually intend to buy it, he was shitposting and got nailed by the SEC, only THEN did he try to work out what to do with it.

    Unfortunately the "what" turned out to be destroying democracy and helping Trump turn the US into a feudal state

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    Does Musk actually care about Twitter any more?

    It's served its purpose. It won the election for Trump. Musk will probably just focus on being Trump's puppy and let Twitter slowly die out.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Ok, can we puh-leese stop talking about corporate media siloses on the fediverse? I keep seeing Elon's stupid mug plastered all over the media, can Lemmy be the exception, pretty please?

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    [+] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    MySpace didn’t die overnight; didn’t it take like 8 years for Facebook to overtake it? Anecdotally in my group of friends, the big exodus from MySpace to Facebook took like 2 years from ‘08-‘10

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    It just occurred to me that the reason I don't remember those events, and have no basis to compare, because I had already left the platforms. Same for Digg.

    I deleted my personal and business Twitter account the day Musk took over.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I would say musk got out of it what he could. Even if it went bankrupt I think he still got his money worth as mad as this sounds.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Good! Let's work to keep the momentum going and encourage everyone you know to boycott Twitter/X. If you still use Twitter/X make a post saying you can find me on Lemmy/Bluesky/Mastodon or whatever website/app you choose to replace it.

    Don't let Elon Musk control you and your country, stop Twitter/X now!

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    [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    Ahaha YES!

    So unfortunate that it had to be this way though, Twitter was the perfect name for such a social media app.

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