This isn't your college or work place break room. If people are saying something you disagree with you can just say it and you won't be fired or ostracized for it. Yeah, people will probably get angry and say mean things to you but those are just words which can be ignored. Offence is taken, not given.

This is mostly for the lurkers who upvote unpopular opinions but don't comment. You can speak up - you're not alone.

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[–] 111 points 2 years ago

won't be fired or ostracized for it.

Wanna bet?

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Of course you can. You're not free from consequences of what you said though. The internet remembers EVERYTHING. Especially on federated platforms like lemmy. Some of my first messages on newsgroups in the 1990's are still floating around the internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Although, what are the odds someone goes to the length to match writing style and personal details that you let slip while using a pseudonymous account against an online presence where you are identifiable?

    I’m sure it’s possible, especially if there’s a reason you might be targeted, but I imagine it’s still pretty challenging and time consuming

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's old style thinking. If that type of matching isn't already automated and running, it will be soon. They'll click a button and find you everywhere if you've left enough breadcrumbs, so there won't be any lengths to go to. And as someone who has gone through the cybersec exercises of hardening browsers against fingerprinting, knows what VPN can do and more importantly what it CAN'T do, etc, I can say there are precious few people in the world going to the lengths required to stay truly anonymous. It basically has to become your top priority and constant focus if you want to be successful.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I guess a better question then - when is the juice worth the squeeze?

    Like, I’m sure that government agencies have an interest in tracking who is making what comments pseudonymously online, but it would take a lot of effort, computers, money, energy, etc to constantly scan and store information for everyone, right?

    Which is where we get into different levels of security - I’m going to try harder to hide my identity if I were to pirate a movie vs browsing Wikipedia.

    I guess the question is: who is motivated to collect what information, and what needs to be done to make that identifying information useless for them to connect the dots?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    but it would take a lot of effort, computers, money, energy, etc to constantly scan and store information for everyone, right?

    You are describing PRISM and it's been running since 2007.

    When they realized how much storage it was going to take the US Government built the UDC at Camp Williams in Utah.

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    Never say anything you aren't willing to stand behind. Because it won't go away. And with authoritarian regimes coming to power... you gotta be cognizant of the potential consequences

    But generally, I agree with you. The further we get away from groupthink the better we are for it. When we self-censor out of fear of disapproval we are perpetuating the cycle and making it more likely the next person doesn't speak their mind.

    Just because everyone believes something is right, does not mean it is. The majority has been wrong in the past and it will be wrong in the future.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You can be fired for what you say if it is linked back to you. That actually happens pretty regularly

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    On the internet you can just freely say what you really think even if you know it's unpopular.

    This advice is SUPER dependent on where you live. People in the Middle East have been executed for saying the wrong thing on the Internet. People in the UK have been imprisoned for saying the wrong thing online. Criticize social policy or Government in China and its quite possible you'll be off to prison.

    Even in the good Ol' USA there's limits to how free your speech can be online.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    If people are saying something you disagree with you can just say it and you won’t be fired or ostracized for it.

    But you can be banned which is pretty much the online equivalent to being fired or kicked out of school.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lol sounda like it bro's first time online

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    On the other hand, no one is obligated to listen to you, and freedom of speech does not equal freedom from the consequences of said speech. If you voice an unpopular opinion, be prepared to not be popular.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Ironic to find someone saying this on Lemmy. It's a miserable echo chamber here.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, people will probably get angry and say mean things to you but those are just words which can be ignored. Offence is taken, not given.

    This is naïve. The no one likes being insulted and downvoted for expressing their views. Sure, it doesn’t bother some people as much as others, but it’s not a conscious choice to “just ignore it,” as though that will prevent any negative feelings. The reality is that people with unpopular views stay silent to avoid these consequences, and that’s an entirely rational choice. You would do better to spend your time chastising people who attack those with unpopular views than to try to convince those with unpopular views to willingly expose themselves to online abuse.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I've often been banned, blocked, or mass downvoted for saying something unpopular.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Downvotes mean pretty much nothing

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    YSK too that not everything that's said has equal value or merit.

    This is important for both expressing and hearing/reading opinions.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I heard op of this post is the actual shooter in the murder of the Brian Thompson case. Sources say he went mad after his claim to be turned into a cat e girl was denied by united

    Source-trust me bro

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    That's patently false.

    Ironically one of the first comments I saw in this post was "deleted by a moderator." I guess that person doesn't get to say whatever they want.

    Lemmy is only pseudonymous and is a bit of an echo chamber. Lots of things you write or otherwise share on the Internet (here or elsewhere) can come back to haunt you.

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    [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    It's just words on a screen. Easy enough to scroll on by without commenting. On my screen, upvote usually means 'thanks for sharing' rather then agreement.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    If people are saying something you disagree with you can just say it

    sure 😁 👍 💯

    and you won’t be fired or ostracized for it

    🤦 WAT, how do you know that?

    Sorry, but you don't get to set the expectations of how people will react.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    If people are saying something you disagree with you can just say it and you won't be fired or ostracized for it. Yeah, people will probably get angry and say mean things to you but those are just words which can be ignored.

    What is the purpose, then? If I can't ignore others, others can ignore you. This only lead to useless, unsatisfactory, unproductive and dumb arguments with random people on internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I would probably argue the opposite. What is the purpose of a community where no actual discussions are had, and people just look at and upvote memes?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    You can always find a community where respectful discussion is allowed and encourage, and if you can't, you can create it. Not all places are mean to debate.

    And people just really like memes.

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