Not to make any justification s or excuses for anyone who does shitty things.

As someone who broke quite a few generational curses, I completely get it.

You see it everyday and think it's normal, it becomes just another thing that happens. I didn't realize that what I went though as a kid was wrong until I happened upon a solid loving family who took me in for a while and they had to sit me down and tell me they weren't going to beat me no matter what I did. I was 16 at the time and I just thought it was a thing that happened. I'm not sure it would have had the same impact learning the truth if I just realized later in life and hadn't actually experienced what was right.

I was so close to becoming the worst parts of my parents, and I did for a while. I think I just got lucky enough to turn my life around, not everyone gets that luck.

That doesn't make it right, but I get it.

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Well, it's kinda how our brains work.

I'm not sure how much I can go into without needing to point to psychology, which is pointing to authority, so take it as you will.

Look at what happens when a traumatic event occurs. The brain takes it, and lays down a big "warning" patch, so that when similar things occur, it can react before things get as far.

Then, look at the way we're social creatures. There's chemicals our brains and bodies dump when we do good things with people.

Then, look at child/parent bonding. Those chemicals mentioned above trigger heavily when a child is in contact with a parent (biological or otherwise) in early development. This means that before genuine sapient thought can occur, we are linked to our parents by our brains and chemicals. There are things that can prevent that bonding from child to parent, but it's actually pretty difficult, far more difficult in things that prevent parent to child bonding.

Next, the onset of abuse is rarely during the earliest development. And I say that while holding neglect and/or emotional withdrawal as a different thing, which is the more common way an abuser is going to start, but is a form of abuse. It just isn't traumatic in the same way.

So, we're at the point where abuse begins.

The initial trauma is weighted by the brain just like any trauma. But it's weighted against all the pathways and memories engrained before that. It weighs the abuse against the dependency of child on parent. That means that in order to later disconnect the effects of the abuse from the victim, they have to also strip out those connections.

The more abuse, the harder it is to untangle things.

While the abuse is ongoing, a child has little or no ability to compare it to anything. The abuse is their baseline for what life is like.

Even when working on that via therapy later, you have to rebuild a new baseline to build healthy patterns on.

Then, that abused person has a kid.

Unless they've gotten very, very far into healing and rebuilding, every single interaction with their child is being held up to, compared to, whatever memories and experiences they have stored. They're using whatever coping mechanisms they learned. Those things are all dysfunctional.

So, even though they don't necessarily want to abuse, their first responses are going to come from a brain that's been shaped chemically and physically by abuse. Their kid does something "bad", based on those flawed patterns. They have whatever pattern they learned to draw from to decide what to do. Sometimes, they may not have developed enough control to have a choice, they may react before they can choose.

Since what they know about parenting is wrong, unhealthy, the less they've learned that counters the abuse, the more likely they are to use the tools they were taught to use: abuse.

Since that abuse fills them with fear, anger, and possibly a deep resentment of those that didn't experience abuse, they're now at a disadvantage regarding their ability to bond with their child. A weaker bond makes it harder to stop and think instead of just reacting.

It takes active, long term work to rebuild the brain and the mind within it. It's a process that can take longer than a lifetime. Often enough, the life choices made while trying to move forward after abuse make the abused more prone to self medication, to risky behaviors, so you end up with them making kids well before they're ready, which maximizes the risk of them abusing.

When they do abuse (and it is not a guarantee), they're imprinting their kids with the same patterns.

Now, even in those that escape the cycle, that do the work, some are still going to have dysfunctional practices. They may not have reached a point where they can implement best practices at all, so it can take multiple generations to filter out.

An example of that: parent A beats their kids with rolling pins and sticks. One of those kids rejects that, but is still working with the need to parent, and only beats with a belt. Their kid only beats with a hand. Their kid stops beating at all, but still spanks. Their kid rejects spanking, but still yells, possibly also engaging in non physical abuse as well. Their kid finally rejects that last layer and raises their kids not only without abuse, but while trying to apply best practices. It's that next generation raised with best practices that finally raises kids that are no longer part of the cycle.

At any point in that, the next generation could regress, even at the very end where they were raised as well possible, without anything remotely abuse. They could, for whatever reason, become abusive instead of continuing a cycle of optimized raising.

It's important to restate that physical abuse isn't the only form of abuse. I chose it as the example because it's the most obvious and easiest to use as an example since there's no mistaking a beating for anything but what it is.

It's all about how traumas shape and change the actual structure of the brain in an attempt to avoid future negative events. Once shifted enough from what would be ideal, the road back towards a healthy state of being is both harder, and less certain of completion. There's some people that will say you never totally remap yourself, you just build enough layers on top that it prevents the old pathways from activating until and unless a new or repeated trauma rips all of that up.

You don't necessarily have to cut anyone slack. It's a good idea to try to, because you never can tell when a bit of empathy can be the thing that lets them take the first step out

I was physically abused as a kid. Unfortunately, the burden falls on the victim with trauma. My dad came from a long line of child abusers. I broke the cycle by never touching my daughter in anger, but I didn’t learn to heal myself until she was almost 20.

Just to clarify, you are under the impression people have free will? What do you mean by that?

I think it comes from the idea that regardless of how we think of ourselves, most of what we do follows our own long term habits and the models we have identified with, often from a young age. A person can even believe they are rejecting the past or their parent's influence and then behave exactly the same without noticing or even rationalizing afterward how this was not exactly what it looked like.

Your brain's best trick is to make you think your view of the world is complete and that you are using all the powers of your free reason, when in fact you only have a narrow slice of human experience behind you and are often responding to circumstances before you have even become fully aware of them or of your alternatives. Your mind fills in the blanks to support your view of yourself.

People learn a behavior because it is safe or effective in a certain condition of life, and then just keep using it even when it isn't suitable out of fear of changing something that works, however badly, or lack of imagination, or because they have identified with it as a part of their personality that they need to protect from real or imagined self-erasing forces. It feels weird and wrong and self-betraying in the moment to change how you do things, only afterwards you can maybe see the good side.

You care about these people, and it shows care to confront them when they are doing things they have said they want to avoid. But it will be a matter of many such confrontations and maybe better just saying Wow, that's not what I would have done! I guess I'm just ____ and prefer to _____ in that situation. You can reinforce some alternative options they might not have seen a lot of modeling for and in the future these options may come to mind with greater force in the actionable moment. Also, take notice when they do things well and see if you can figure out why they are more clear-headed in those cases. It will help your own feelings to see some bright spots.

Just to make this even longer... For my part I see this when I go to the doctor's. I always find myself very meek and even stupid in a doctor's office, for personal history reasons, but the solution for me is not to give myself a stern talking to about why I should stand up for myself and think critically about this important stuff. Rather, I tell myself to "channel" my old friend, who is very salty about the whole medical establishment, and just hearing his voice in my head helps keep me properly engaged through the appointments and not mentally bowing the whole time. Without his real example, I'm not sure any rational arguments would be enough to change how I actually behave. I couldn't even visualize myself doing it.

But, obviously I'm not super sure about free will, so I'm interested to see what other people say.

If you’re up for reading a book, I can recommend “Healing the Shame That Binds You” to get more insight into this sort of stuff

Things affect us. What we do as a result is up to us. So while you should be understanding of others, and how their trauma may have affected them, it also doesn't give them an excuse to do the same. It's a hard balance, being understanding vs not excusing them.