Holy fuck, death to NATO and the US empire. So many lives ruined...
The population of Ukraine was over 50 million before the collapse of the USSR.
Fuck Western Capital for completely eradicating a nation
Damn, kinda seems safer to be living in the occupied territories 
The nation that took on the most Ukrainian refugees was Russia.
The west doesn’t talk about how millions of fleeing refugees chose to go east instead of west.
“3.7mn Ukrainian men left to be mobilised”
Ominous.
Fight to the last Ukrainian. Ukraine you can’t have any Enlisted Women until you’ve finished all your Men.
I can only read that sentence in the soulless robotic insect voice of international capital
“Liquidation of Ukrainian Human Capital at 85% completion”
yea it reads like someone is playing a Paradox strategy game. it's just the manpower bar with a tooltip on the top of the screen
Quote from EU4: "if it moves, draft it"
"Oops, we are out of manpower!" - Zelensky, probably
They've already been force mobilizing some women as well for quite a while now (primarily those with medical training), just not en masse yet. That will probably come after the inevitable lowering of the mobilization age which the West has been heavily pressuring Ukraine to pass for almost a year now. You constantly see comments made by Western officials and articles written by Western commentators that Ukraine needs to mobilize its youth. In the meantime a lot of women have been joining essentially out of economic desperation because it's either that or their children starving on the streets after all the men around them have disappeared.
It's been pretty shitty what with the news of a Lebanon "ceasefire" coming out today or tomorrow (I doubt it will hold, the entity will just escalate and break the agreement), and about the Ukrainians.
They really are going to fight until the last Ukrainian.
Remember this is a country that had a population of 52 million before the USSR collapsed.
Now they only have 3.7 million men left who aren’t maimed or currently being maimed and killed.
Still think abandoning communism and gleefully joining the west was the right move? Do average Ukrainians realize they live in a ghost town of their own making?
Do average Ukrainians realize they live in a ghost town of their own making?
of their own making?
? What evidence is there to indicate the "average Ukrainian" chose this path? The western empire doesn't exactly come in and ask for permission from each citizen to turn their country into a proxy.
That was poorly worded on my part, I meant to say that it was Ukraine’s own making, and wondering if average Ukrainians understood that. Not that random individuals are responsible, although the population of Western Ukraine/Galicia is extremely reactionary and aligned with western backed Nazis. Bandera support is not some isolated thing, it’s the majority opinion in the western areas.
although the population of Western Ukraine/Galicia is extremely reactionary and aligned with western backed Nazis. Bandera support is not some isolated thing, it’s the majority opinion in the western areas.
I’m going to need some proof that this holds true to any significant degree and tht the average Western Ukranian is even like this. I’m not some expert on Ukraine, I’ve never lived there nor been there but I made friends with several Ukranian immigrants before the war and that was not the impression that I got at all. I went to fucking campfires with Ukranians and Russians before the war, and they seemed virtually indistinguishable.
This is purely annecdotal but your OP sounded like some shit Libs would tell the few Muslim voting abstainers about not voting for Kamala. And you say you didn’t mean to blame the average Ukranian for their country going to shit except you keep doing it.
Like, step away from the keyboard and relentless adherence to taxonomy, realize 1. This country is fucking destroyed, real people have lost their homes and b. As much as you’re allowed to sympathize with modern Russia you owe no allegiance to them as a communist, you presented your argument as if 3.7 million people remain in Ukraine as a result of the fall of Communism and, you know, not the war between them and the Russian Federation.
https://www.dw.com/en/stepan-bandera-ukrainian-hero-or-nazi-collaborator/a-61842720
74% of Ukrainians view the Nazi collaborator favorably
If they don’t want to be blamed maybe they should stop supporting Nazis, just a thought.
Ukraine's population had already fallen from 52 million to 40 million before the war in 2022, before Russia "destroyed" Ukraine (Ukraine was already a decaying, falling apart relic before Russia ever stepped foot there). Sane people who didn't worship Nazis fled early and often, leaving a lot of scum at the bottom of the barrel. Non-Nazi Ukrainians joined the DPR/LPR movements and voted to join Russia because they were so ashamed by their ex-countrymen's fascism and nazi worship.
A survey by the Democratic Initiative Foundation in April 2021 found that one out of three Ukrainians, 32%, considered Bandera's acts as positive, and just as many took the opposite view.
You conveniently brought up the statistic that was made after Nato carved the country into a proxy husk.
Right so 32% of total Ukrainians, 74% of those remaining, IE the Galicians in the west and in Kyiv regime occupied areas, as I said
The western controlled incumbent Ukranian regime turned Bandera into a war hero, renaming entire building and streets and having a holiday in his name and yet 56% were still skeptical to the point of not even saying he was a positive figure and 32% saying he was a negative.
You didn’t misword anything, you were truly blaming average Ukranians for their country being a geopolitical ragdoll, and not still part of an already dissolved Soviet Union
Z_poster is terminally online and weirdly pro Russia and not in the normal anti imperialist way.
Thank you comrade.
Number of men living abroad is most likely severely underestimated, there was over 1,7 million of them living in Poland alone, and that was before 2022. Though that 1,7 million also included men below 25 years old.
Are these emigrants to Poland mostly western Ukrainians, while eastern Ukrainians mostly emigrated to Russia? How many of them are Banderite-adjacent? Is all forgiven or forgotten regarding the UPA/OUN-B genocide?
None of this was in the data i saw, although i work with many Ukrainians and know of few hundred more, and almost none of them went back after 2022. Of those i know they barely even talk about politics so i guess at least they arent in your face banderites or dotn want to tell Poles straight in the face that they are.
That 3.8 million number is likely very optimistic because the country likely cannot survive long with only critical workers so probably a good percentage of the available men are not really available, or else the country screeches to a halt. In such case the already low popularity of the war would became unbearable.
And yet Russia can mobilize 3.7 mn troops without even declaring a general mobilization.
how many dead from the war?
It's hard to know because nobody releases data officially or clearly. The best we got is estimates from obituaries published in newspapers. For civilian deaths I'm not sure. Ukrainian soldiers somewhere between 500k to a million. For Russian soldiers, somewhere around 100k-150k.
This is only in the current mobilization bracket. I fully expect them to lower it to 18 at most in January.
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