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Quebec should adopt standard time (and so should the rest of Canada) (policyoptions.irpp.org)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I don't care whether we pick Standard Time or Daylight Savings Time or create a new timezone that splits the difference, but we should choose one and stick with it.

Part of the problem is that the timezone boundaries have been distorted out of their proper geographical shape by politics, so one or the other edge of each distorted timezone always has some desynchronization between wall-clock time and sun position. Which edge it is varies depending on whether ST or DST is currently in force.

Or, we could just completely decouple the wall clock from solar time and put everyone on UTC. It makes synchronizing long-distance travel and communications much easier, and if the clock happens to say "5:00PM" or "7:00AM" when the sun is high in the sky and you're eating lunch, what does that really matter? Unfortunately, there are some people who seem unable to accept that the number on the clock is arbitrary.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 18 hours ago

China, as big as it is, has only one time zone lol.

I'm down with UTC, but make it 24 hours, not AM and PM. Because not everyone will have the same 'mid-day'.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Nah, let the computers do the things that they're good at, like calculating time differentials. And let people reference something real, like the sunrise and sunset. The whole daylight savings time vs. standard time is dumb, and political timezones are unfortunate, but any time system becomes meaningless when it becomes too decoupled from the way people actually experience time. I don't care when noon is in Europe, noon will always be roughly midday for me. I don't expect that's an unpopular opinion for anyone that spends any significant portion of their time outside.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't care what numbers the clock show I don't want to have to addapt to waking up one hour earlier or later than before. It messes with my internal clock and makes me not want to wake up or wake up too early for at least a month or two after each change.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

In principle I agree. Changing so our clocks so a few people don't have to do seasonal hours is silly. The only problem with everyone using UTC is the days. Incrementing the day, or flipping the date in the middle of a workday is annoying. It's solvable, but just sticking to a time is good enough.

As long as a bunch of the world is changing their clocks one way while a bunch changes it another is done away with, conversion to UTC for coordination is simple.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I'd like the world to agree on at least all changing time on the same day or none at all. So we can just remember the offset to everywhere else just once.

There will be people who prefer reasonably early sunrise to pleasantly late sunset, and we could shift office hours 1/2 hour or so to adapt for people on edge of time zones.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

I hate being in a time zone where in winter, the sun comes 7:00 and sets at 16:00..

Most of us have 9-5 jobs. I'd rather have the sun up around 8 and still have some tiny sliver of light when i leave the office

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Same. Idgaf if the sun comes up well after I've started work, I want sun after work so I don't feel like an animal living in complete darkness.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Go farther north and see what time zone works then. (Hint: none)

It's obvious your longitude isn't the issue: you may need a latitude adjustment!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

You had me at the first paragraph. Sick punchline

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Where I live it's dark when I go to work and dark when I come home. I don't give a flying fuck either way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

Supposedly waking up with the sun is healthier than waking up in the dark, but I agree with you, I basically never see the sun in winter so it defeats the purpose.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

blablabla QuΓ©bec will change it when NY state change it, and Ontario will change it too the minute NY change it.

Provinces will never do a move by themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Saskatchewan disagrees.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

I want everyone who whines about a time change put on their own little island of people who can’t cope.

They can have whatever time they want away from people who are actually able to handle the very smallest of changes to their lives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Daylght Savings time would be better for BC, having standard all year would mean sunrise just after 3am in summer.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

As opposed to 4 am? Who cares at that point

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I am also a fan of permanent DST as it would give more evening light in the winter, but would begrudgingly accept permanent standard time as it's still better than the clock-switching we do now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Standard time is better for the health of the population, especially in teens. There's a ton of research on the subject.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

But standard time gives different hours based on your lat/long position. Eastern has about 45 min later daylight, western has 45 min earlier sunrise. So one standard doesn't give all provinces the same daylight range, it is shifted

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Eastern has about 45 min later daylight, western has 45 min earlier sunrise.

opposite

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean in Vancuver BC longest summer, official daylight is 5:05am, but twilight is 4:23am. Toronto daylight in longest summer day starts about 5:35 (twilight at 5am) The twilight here is super bright. East coast gets more daylight in winter I think

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

The eastern part of a time zone has earlier sunrise/sunset than the western part of that same time zone. A little past Detroit would have Vancouver times.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Because I want that hour after work not before I wake up

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago

Or we could go with the standard time. The standard. Standards are neat. Do you like standards? Do they have a standard time?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You do realize it is an osculating wave of longer and shorter.. The absolute statements people make and the difference the 1 hour makes to a typical person often only last 1 month tops.

Like in the winter O yes I have an hour of sunlight before work, two weeks later as the days continue to get shorter, it is dark at the start of day and dark at the end of the work day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Winter is a write off in BC, being a rainforest climate it is overcast blanket of cloud or raining for 90% of the winter months, sun doesn't show itself. But for summer we have especially early sunrise, and I would like that shifted to the evening when it is useful. (I realize is fluctuates but whether that is 3am sun or 5am sun, screw that put that at end of day)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I don't care if it is permanent daylight time or permanent standard time just stop flipping the clock twice a year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Agreed