i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] 151 points 2 years ago (123 children)

There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.

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  • [–] 92 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Well yeah, otherwise they’d have to consider actually changing their shit strategy

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Even after all this the DNC are already bowing down to the fascist position because they lost because they were “too woke”.

    This is when the democrats were already running a far right platform of “we want to fund the police, not defund them”, following Trump’s border policy, “most lethal army”, “Israel must expand its borders”, “I’ll have a Republican in my cabinet”. And they weren’t “woke” at all. Kamala threw trans people in the trash saying “we’ll follow the law” when it comes to trans issues. It was the Republicans who were running hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads on trans people and democrats weren’t saying shit.

    The DNC have once again failed to learn and are looking for a “centrist” chair, doing exactly the same thing of shutting down leftist voices and trying to appeal to and compromise with the fascists instead of listening to people like Bernie and AOC.

    You’d think after they utterly failed and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and get an out and proud fascist elected they would finally learn that they need to address the real issues that affect all working class people.

    The ratchet effect is real.

    The Republican critique of the democrats is kind of right in a way in that they are just the same rich people not doing anything about the cost of living and only using identity politics to “virtue signal”. They’re right wingers with rainbow flags. That doesn’t do much for oppressed minorities except make us the target of attacks. What would benefit queer and other oppressed minorities more is build a society in which we can afford homes to live in, food to eat, access to healthcare. But they want to make it all about pronouns because that is easy for them to look like they’re someone “on the left”, when economically they’re not on the left at all.

    There’s really no hope with the DNC. We just need to organize in our own communities because the democrats certainly aren’t coming to save anyone.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    There sure are a lot of people that didn’t do jack shit and think they have a place to blame anyone.

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    [–] 90 points 2 years ago (79 children)

    It's so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It's genocide, and it's horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can't save Gaza immediately, it's really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It's our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.

    I wouldn't say they're gone though. I've been down voted, told "my kind/type" are all talk, or that I'm okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn't sit and do nothing.

    But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we're moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they are Isreali or Russian psy ops accounts (or at least useful idiots that have bought the psy ops).

    When the war started, Lemmy was overrun by the "criticism of Isreal is antisemetic" accounts. That was rejected pretty hard. Those guys disappeared, and the "never genocide" people took their place.

    It almost seems like a change in tactics to achieve the same goal.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago

    the “criticism of Israel is antisemitism” accounts are gone because they were banned. Zionism and the insistence that a genocidal state is indivisible from an entire ethnic group is racism, and against most instance’s TOS.

    “never genocide” content does not break TOS and so has lasted since october 7th through today. to the uninformed eye this dynamic might look like a change in tactic but really it’s just two different groups, one which got banned after a few days or weeks and one which did not.

    just correcting your “change in tactics”/“it’s astroturfing” narrative. i don’t think it holds up in comparison to a much more likely explanation, and i might even use the word ludicrous to describe your argument unless you can provide further evidence.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Considering the fediverse's low market share compared to non-federated alternatives, I'd be suprised if any malicious actors waste time and money running a psyops here. Like, you reach more people on Reddit for the same ammount of effort.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    thank you for saying this skskkssk. Occam’s razor: is it more likely that foreign psy-ops have incredibly poor cost-benefit analysis skills (while excelling in everything else), or that a couple dozen people have deeply held beliefs that led them to be vocal in the midst of tragedy?

    call me crazy but the latter narrative makes a lot fewer assumptions.

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (28 children)

    Friendly reminder that Joe Biden is still the president and could stop sending weapons to Israel right now if he wanted to. But he doesn't.

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago (28 children)

    Dems failed and people who abhor genocide unfortunately had little to do with it, though listening to Lemmy libs you'd think they personally destroyed her campaign

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    They need someone to blame. Taking on blame themselves for ignoring voters? That's preposterous! Those votes are clearly owed in the democracy that they're the saviors of.

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    [–] 49 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Blame the at most 2 million or so antigenocide protestors, instead of the 75 million who voted for Trump. Considering Harris was short 8 million votes, it didn't really matter.

    Blame Trump voters first, but also blame Harris for running a dog shit campaign where she leaned right to pickup Republicans, and ended up picking up zero R voters while completely alienating the progressives and losing 14 million votes from Biden's 2020 performance.

    The Dems don't seem too upset though. They would rather lose to the republicans than let progressives have any sort of power.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It is not only that she ran to the right but she did so with Liz Cheney who represents the old guard that is no longer trusted by them. She is nothing but a liability and is moreso indicative of the rot in the establishment which seems to identify more with Republican-lite than anything the rank and file of the party wants. That same establishment is trying to decide which minority to throw under the bus now rather than own up to their failures.

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Throwing your vote in the trash is a vote for garbage, and garbage won by a landslide.

    The garbage voters really hate to hear it.

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    [–] 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (17 children)

    So let me get this straight:

    The Democratic Party snubs the left— even the progressives. They court the right wing, parading the Cheneys around.

    The democrats lose.

    The rightwing voters get riled up by the mask-off hatred, while their politicians straight up lie to Muslims and Latino people, winning some of their votes.

    The democrats lose ground across the board. Their entire turnout was depressed. No matter how many times they learned their views were losing them votes, they refuse to budge on the issues they were undoubtedly wrong about. The fuckin meme says “we didn’t vote for genocide!!!” We can all agree voting…for genocide is…bad, right?

    And you’re blaming the people who were ignored and told once again to go fuck themselves? Because they couldn’t stomach voting for people publicly and unflinchingly supporting the genocide.

    Not the lying fascists, not the losing party for being told they were going to fail and still failing?

    This is exactly how you continue to fail and lose to fascists.

    And im telling you right now. History won’t look back and say “those fools! They didn’t vote because of a teensy little genocide!” They will say “all of those people stood by while a holocaust was happening.”

    Not a doubt in my mind.

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    [–] 45 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    Had nothing to do with it.. or at least insignificantly. The Dems on a platform of "were not him" and the economy is booming.. while people where hurting and got shafted by the wave of devaluation.. people are angry.. and the let's keep going on the same path and change nothing and so nothing party did not get people out to vote.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    The only people making noise are the centrists looking to blame everyone but themselves for a sweep of all the levers of government, and a gradual loss of the judiciary that will doom the republic. It was an epic asswipping of historic proportions with you lot leading and owning the losing strategy. You dont even have the diginity to be embarrassed about it.

    You geniuses lost voters across every single demographic except college educated whites, flatly ignored the economic hardship of the lower and middle class and told people they were delusional to talk about it, and on top of that they enabled and participated in obvious far right war crimes. You lost minority and youth support and trust across the board. And you have no way of earning it back beyond your same tired playbook of being slightly better than Trump, on just a few issues.

    Even if Harris had done the right, legal, moral thing and indicated she'd halt the shipments, she still would have lost on her idiotic low-polling economic policy that polled the same as Joe Bidens presidency. So you all supported war crimes and soiled the dem name for basically no gain at all. You doomed the republic, soiled the global understanding of "democracy", and showed the western world order to be a hollow shell of what it once was, where laws and justice dont really matter. All so the DNC elites could take some zionist bribes on a single election cycle, which you then lost. Heck of a job. Its hard to imagine screwing the globe any more thoroughly. Its breathtaking. You couldnt have done a more thorough job if you were maga republican fascists yourselves.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    I was going to just block the author of this post and move on but your comment so beautifully and clearly expressed everything I was thinking about their asinine lack of self awareness, I had to just at least thank you for taking the time to patiently engage despite knowing full well they refuse to learn.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you thought the people who were critical of the Democrats went quite after the election, you're saying more about the echo chamber you've built for yourself than anything else.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    They voted for a worse genocide.

    In 2 different places no less and possibly more.

    They just don't know it yet.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    One of the candidates was against Palestinian genocide??

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Amazingly, nobody's happy that the dems decided to sacrifice the whole country rather than budge on exterminating the Palestinians.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Maybe pick a candidate that people want to vote for next time

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (37 children)

    Another day, another Lemmy post blaming leftists instead of Republicans, conservatives, racists, and their enablers.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The Democratic party or a campaign can't fail, they can only be failed, right OP?

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (24 children)

    You can continue blaming everything but the DNC, but it won't change the fact that they are complicit in genocide and no matter who was in charge, the US will continue it's legacy of genocide worldwide.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I haven't seen them go quiet.

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