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[–] 134 points 2 years ago (35 children)

If anyone is in need of a more secure option in these dystopian times: drip keeps all your data on your phone. You can export the data, so you can keep the tracked data when changing phones. I only use it for tracking my cycle and sometimes symptoms though, so I can't say much about using it for birth control.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (31 children)

    Apple’s Cycle Tracking app is also locally and E2E encrypted in iCloud.

    When your phone is locked with a passcode, Touch ID, or Face ID, all of your health and fitness data in the Health app, other than your Medical ID, is encrypted. Any health data synced to iCloud is encrypted both in transit and on our servers. And if you have a recent version of watchOS and iOS with the default two-factor authentication and a passcode, your health and activity data will be stored in a way that Apple can’t read it.

    This means that when you use the Cycle Tracking feature and have enabled two-factor authentication, your health data synced to iCloud is encrypted end-to-end and Apple does not have the key to decrypt the data and therefore cannot read it.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/120356

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

    Sure. It's encrypted. And your private data only stays on your device. Pinky swear.

    With our 10 billion $ in ad revenue, you can trust that your data never makes it to a third party unencrypted 😚

    Anti Commercial-AI license

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

    I’m not sure what that license has to do with Apple’s privacy policy. Apple uses ML to place ads alongside relevant content. They provide no customer information to advertisers. They generate so much ad revenue by keeping a sizable 30% from the advertisers.

    https://support.apple.com/guide/news-publisher/earn-revenue-with-advertising-on-apple-news-apdd44eeeeeb/icloud

    https://support.apple.com/guide/adguide/generate-revenue-apd51c721ca9/icloud

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (18 children)

    Is the app and the OS open source? No? Then please shut the fuck up with your dangerous "advice". People really still havent understood how this shit works. How is this being upvoted? Corporations do not deserve your trust when they claim things without proving them.

    This is not a joke, this shit affects peoples lives. After spearheading the technology for creeps to stalk people with physical tags, and being the first to experiment with client side communications scanning, how do people still not understand that apple is just as bad as the rest.

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    [–] 66 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Why does a period tracking app even need to store the data anywhere other than locally?

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    their given reasons are "to keep backups" and "academic and clinical research with de-identified datasets"

    they seem to actually do a fairly good job with anonymizing the research datasets, unlike most "anonymized research data", though for the raw data stored on their servers, they do not seem to use encryption properly and their security model is "the cloud hoster wouldn't spy on the data right?" (hint: their data is stored on american servers, so the american authorities can just subpoena Amazon Web Services directly, bypassing all their "privacy guarantees". (the replacement for the EU-US Privacy Shield seems to be on very uncertain legal grounds, and that was before the election))

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Sometimes people get new phones 🤷‍♀️

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Then that data should be stored encrypted, salted, hashed, smashed, mashed, and passed so that only the person who is moving phones can open it

    Not just for being made to give it over but also like leaks n shit

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Why in the fuck would the government need this information?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    dystopian hellscape where government has an algorithm to check whether your period has come in a given month, and if you've missed more than a few weeks, you'll be listed as pregnant. And then if you're not pregnant anymore for any reason other than giving birth, then you'll be prosecuted for having an abortion.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

    That's nice, but why does that data need to be on their servers in the first place?

    Ok, so apparently they don't store the data by default. Guessing they could if the user wants it backed up or synced across devices.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I imagine they collect data to improve their algorithm so it can more accurately predict a woman's cycle. Quite a few women use these apps as an alternative birth control, so knowing the specific days where they need to avoid sex is helpful.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Normally, I'd install the app to find out, but I can't really install any more apps on my phone. And oh man, do I never like seeing the phrase "collect data to improve [their] algorithm".

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Any woman on here, please consider bluemoon. My wife is tech illiterate but loves the app.

    Bluemoon (Open source, privacy friendly menstruation tracking app. Your period, your data!) https://f-droid.org/packages/ch.nilsgrob.android.bluemoon/

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Can I get a reminder about the apps that WILL share with the govt so I can help fuck with their data?

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I know it's not feasible, but if a lot of males would just use the apps that are know to report to US authorities and input data, that most likely will raise a alarms, they would have to deal with heaps of false-positives and it would obscure the real data.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    female and male staff members at Clue, based in Berlin

    Basiert und in Berlin.

    𝕯𝖎𝖊𝖘𝖊 𝕶𝖔𝖒𝖒𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖘𝖊𝖐𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖎𝖘𝖙 𝖓𝖚𝖓 𝕰𝖎𝖌𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖒 𝖉𝖊𝖗 𝕭𝖚𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖘𝖗𝖊𝖕𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖐 𝕯𝖊𝖚𝖙𝖘𝖈𝖍𝖑𝖆𝖓𝖉

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago

    DO NOT put this kind of information in an app!

    If you absolutely have to have it in your phone, use the calendar and pick some event that's plausible monthly with a unique name so you can search on it. "Checked for Mxyzlptik updates", "Look at travel to Canada prices" or whatever.

    If you need more functionality than that you'll need an offline solution. We live in a fascist dictatorship now. They hate women. And they will 100% use that information against you if they can.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago*

    They shouldn't be collecting it in the first place, store the logs locally (and encrypted tbh) on the user's device.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    It makes zero sense in keeping the data unencrypted in ang cloud. People usually don't share their cycles details on the public internet.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    I'm glad this article is about Clue. I hope I can continue to trust them.

    I've been using Clue for years and it's nicely trans-friendly and not-pink. When I was first looking for a period app, many options were focused on fertility--either seeking or avoiding pregnancy--which rubbed me the wrong way.

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