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Trump isn't over the line yet, but Starmer seems confident enough that Trump has won.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

Trump isn't over the line yet, but Starmer seems confident enough that Trump has won.

We all know it’s over at this point though.

God help the world. This is all just a big game to some people.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's impressive that Jonathan Ashworth managed to lose two elections on two separate continents in one year.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Finest political mind of the last century.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Historically stupid for sure.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can't wait for Lammy to shake hands with Trump on his next state visit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Trump holds grudges so maybe he would insist on only meeting Starmer and not Lammy. Who knows.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Maybe something that hurt Kamala was her use of top music stars... maybe average Americans feel those celebrities are out of touch with average people. I saw this on BBC News:

a Republican at one Trump rally... said their candidate had completely "reimagined" the Republican party from its country club voter stereotype to appealing to working class families, while the Democrats had become the "party of Hollywood"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

lets see what position germany has in the brown-nosing the next president competition

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Double checks publication.

No, not the onion.

When people tell you who they are (at the very fucking least cordial with literal fascists), believe them.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/romeo-kokriatski-respectability-politics-or-you-gotta-be-nice-to-monsters

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean I get you, but it's not worth burning bridges with a very close ally just so you can look based on a tweet.

The US is very powerful and Trump has proven himself to be very petty. He could make life difficult for the UK, and we're in a precarious position to begin with.

We have to put up with the US's shit decision and try to minimise the damage. It's 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The past is the past. Kier doesn't have a time machine, nor was anything the UK did under the previous Trump government his fault.

It's 4 years from now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Diplomacy means you have to be friendly with people you'd probably rather not be.

Start telling other world leaders to fuck off, and see where it gets you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Sadly gotta be done we need to much from America to play about

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Really awful. Starmer could congratulate Trump without indulging him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Realistically perhaps Britain just needs partners, with the US of course being a major partner (Five Eyes for example).

If we weren't so closely tied to the US then maybe Starmer could be making a statement similar to that of Macron and Scholz today:

Germany, France vow close cooperation after US election... "We will work in this new context for a more united, stronger, more sovereign Europe..."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do we, though? Macron’s reaction seems to go too far the other way. Surely a “Congratulations on your reelection, Mr President and we look forward to working with you in the interests of both our countries” would be sufficient.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah something like that probably would be sufficient. But maybe Starmer's statement was more flattering because he really wants the US-UK relationship to work. Europe perhaps doesn't need to be so flattering, especially since Europe is a much bigger bloc, so it can throw its own weight around a bit more (e.g. if the EU introduced tariffs on US goods it would presumably hurt the US more, compared to if Britain did the same thing).

Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno.