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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago (6 children)

As an Australian I hope HarrisWalz wins because trumpet is a potential threat to other countries and not all of you americans are piece of shit bigots

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not all of you americans are piece of shit bigots

Australia's kindest affirmation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I feel like there was a missed opportunity to invoke the immortal diss "shit-cunts".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As another Australian, a vote against Trump also is a vote against the Palmer united party, Dutton and other c**ts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I'm an American living in the Netherlands. The Dutch just elected a "conservative" goon named Geert Wilders several months ago. His rhetoric has been eerily similar to what's coming out of the UK, Germany, France, Canada, and Australia. Hell, Meloni in Italy has roots in the OG fascist party. They're getting too comfortable.

From what I can discern through my news apps (Associated Press and Reuters, these days), Palmer and Dutton are quite a vintage of proper cunts, but I argue the entire anglophone world is inundated with these authoritarian cocksuckers.

With sincerity, I hope that in your next election they're shoved into the trash compactor of history along with all the other bitch-made invertebrate right-wing lunatics that are pissing in everyone's coffee across the globe, just as we (hopefully) will do so with the Orange fucker today.

EDIT: Well, looks like we're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Actually, most of us are not. But that silly Electoral College we have....makes it so that Democrats have to win by huge margins just to break even on that and on things like representation in the House.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Possibly what you mean is don't use this news as an excuse for lazy complacency.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, that's what they said.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Every poll is a lie.

Vote.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Seriously. They all seem to say fucking different things. Useless bunch of shit.

[–] [email protected] 176 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Maybe he should do another speech where he talks about shooting people, throwing people in jail and about how much a pile of shit this country is. That seems to be working well for him, gaining him some votes. Maybe he should dig deeper into the racism and xenophobia, it’s what got him his highest numbers in the poles, right?

[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 days ago (4 children)

pretty sure at this point he's not counting on votes to get him in the white house, but violence

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

According to conservative relatives there was no coup, only bad players.

I’m so sick of living in a malignant narcissist’s alternative reality. Can we go back to a time where half of us don’t play along with and encourage the delusions of mental illness? Pretty please?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Hopefully the current president won't be as pathetic as the one who was in the Whitehouse the last time the fascists tried to overthrow the government.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

You would think the Poles wouldn’t like him that much

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Celebrate the poll then vote 💙

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let it motivate you to go vote. You are not alone, even if you live in a deeply red area.

Every person who votes helps tell the story that the majority of this country rejects a crazy person leading our country.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Living in a red state this is how I thought of it, even if my vote is wasted at least maybe the world can see a majority (even if it's slight) of Americans voted against trump numerically even if he wins.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

FYI, if you see one outlier poll, ignore it. It doesn’t mean anything.

Trust the aggregate and realize there is a margin of error. If you vote, you will be the margin of error.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

All the vote predictions are inching to a 50 50 split. And pollsters are using AI to simulate real people and using that in their models.

I'm curious if the split will actually be this close, but everything screams that the models are not right.

And then the moment you see some smaller pollsters who actually did the legwork, you see deviation from the 50 50 split.

But still... The call to vote is excellent, cause last time around some states where decided by less than 15K votes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I've yet to get a clear answer on how they correct for the fact that no one answers the phone or wastes time talking to pollsters for free. I keep reading that " they take it into account" but not the methods used.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its worth searching it up, theres many recent stories detailing the methods.

They use a representative sample by reaching out to random voters or posting ads online in social spaces. Once they have enough people to make representative groups to match the population of the state or nation, maybe a few thousand people, they then ask them questions.

They tend to use the same people repeatedly, as they are more reliable in answering, and some of them are regularly paid small amounts for their time.

The polls are essentially tracking a group of people who thought it was worth their time to answer polls, which I am not a part of, and noone I know is a part of.

Edit to add: one new thing this election cycle is that a new weight has been added to account for party affiliation, which wasnt used before.

https://goodauthority.org/news/pollsters-are-weighting-surveys-differently-in-2024/

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Tbh, a Trump presidency just presents too much fuckery. I don't even really like Kamala, but I'm more comfortable with what the US looks like after a term with her than with what Trump put forth.

This is a vote in avoiding a very obvious detriment to our country.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

He is scared and coming across like a bitter asshole. The mic deep throating would have been arguably "funny" but the whole mood was sour because all he was really doing was bitching and whining about them not setting up his mic properly. Surely even Trump voters must wonder how he could manage an actual problem if he turns into an absolute manbaby at the most minor of hiccups

[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Surely even Trump voters must wonder

I'm gonna stop you right there.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

Yeah good point

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Mic deep throating is funny on late night comedy TV.

Simulating oral sex live in front of children is not.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That was just bizzare.

Can you think of the leader of any other country where that would slide? I mean, not even Boris would have been that crass. Even keeping it within the States, is there a past president who would have?

It really made me think of elderly flashers, who act that way because they have degenerative neurological disorders associated with age.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I mean, technically there is a past president who would have, but I know that's not what you mean

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Its completely unacceptable from a presidential candidate.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember when saluting with a coffee in your hand would make the national news because it lacked decorum?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A TAN SUIT?! Good heavens how uncouth

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I sincerely hope to God that’s true, America deserves better than the oligarchy trash taking over it. The real fight begins after this election, the Supreme Court needs an overhaul and the electoral college needs to go

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

TBH, I feel like there's an oligarchy controlling both parties. I voted for Harris, but I think I just voted for the less bat-shit crazy side. The billionaires are still going to get richer, corporations will continue to consolidate, middle-class will keep dwindling, and common people will keep getting poorer and have less say.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Legalize Marijuana, vote for Harris!

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In case anyone is overconfident and thinks them or their family/friends don't need to vote:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Latest Selzer poll, regarded by pollsters as the gold standard, shows Harris +3% over Trump. An earlier assessment gave a scale of what various Trump leads over Harris might mean - if he led her by 11% it would predict a decisive victory for him, with lesser leads meaning not quite as strong a victory, down to a Trump lead of only 3% predicting a strong showing for Harris. Harris leading Trump is literally off that scale and predicts a Harris landslide.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you talking about nationally, the recent Iowa poll, or something else? Because Trump has never won the national popular vote but still made his way into office

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Looks like the Iowa poll, as in of Harris had a real lead on Iowa of all places, there's no chance for him in swing states.

However there's just no way, in anyone's fever dream, that Iowa would go for Harris, so we have to assume there's some freak anomaly rather than anytime to count on or predict how things are going.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are there any early polls that show numbers of previous Trump voters picking Harris this time or previous Clinton/Biden voters going for Trump?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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