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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Converting older office buildings - say, 1950's and earlier - is often feasible, it's the newer ones that can be problematic. Most people don't want an apartment without a window (and often fire or occupancy codes require a window). This isn't really an issue for older building stock, as they were constructed when air conditioning wasn't as prevalent, windows provided ventilation, and window light was used to supplement office lights.

Modern office buildings don't worry about windows for either ventilation or light, so each floor can take up a massive amount of space. If this happens to be a long, thin space, you could put in some apartments - but a lot of the buildings are more square.

How do you handle that? Do you make each apartment really long and thin? If so, do you put in a hallway on one side that eats up precious space and does nothing other than keeping you from going through each room in turn? Or do you make it so you have to pass through each room to get to the end?

If you have the pass-through-each-room style, then which room should be the end room? Traditionally the living room gets the big windows, so you can entertain guests, but that leaves you passing through bedrooms to get there. If you put a bedroom at the end, then only one person/couple gets the light, and you're still potentially walking through the second or third bedroom.

You could make the apartments more square - but these are massive floors, sometimes taking up entire city blocks. And as I mentioned, often code requires windows, so what do you do with the massive space in the center? Do you make each apartment wide and long - those will be expensive and won't help the affordability crisis. Do you build in common areas: say, put in resident storage units every 3 floors and a gym every 5 floors and toss in some community spaces? That's great, but those common spaces will need housekeeping and maintenance, which raises ongoing costs. You can put in office space, but most people don't feel comfortable having those on the same floor, and it raises security concerns for the residents. There are a couple places that have put in a giant light well in the center, but that's expensive and makes the resulting apartments expensive too.

Conversion tends to work better with older building stock and while that works fine in some places, what do you do in cities that don't really have a good supply of older buildings? The supply of 1950's era office buildings is certainly limited in places like Los Angeles or Phoenix.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I guess you shit and piss out of the window? Oh wait, office building windows don't open. Oh well, communal shitter and kitchen in the same spot it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Are you saying the solution to the housing crisis is to starve 50 million people to death?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm making a joke in poor taste to express my disdain for people who commodify human necessities for profit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm curious: are you also against private grocery stores? Because ya know, eating is also a human necessity.

In other words, you do sound like you'd like someone like Mao in charge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

are you also against private grocery stores?

I am, yes.

I have zero interest in spending this beautiful Friday morning arguing, so I'm not going to, but if you would like some reading recommendations to understand my political positions on these sorts of things, let me know and I'd be happy to provide them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd be interested if you are still willing to share.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I'd start with Kropotkin's "The Conquest of Bread" followed by Gelderloos' "Anarchy Works." Kropotkin explains the theory behind why libertarian socialism / anarchist communism is a better, more fair way to structure society, while exhaustively addressing common objections. Gelderloos writes from a modern perspective while offering examples of non-hierarchal human organization throughout history. For those who (somehow) read these and remain convinced that the idea is utopian, I'd recommend Kropotkin's essay "Are We Good Enough," and his principal scientific work: "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" which offers a compelling counter-argument to the 'dog eat dog' conclusion drawn by many from Darwin's theory of evolution by positing that cooperation is sustained in humans and animals over time through natural selection.

For a quick and dirty intro to the basic idea of what classical anarchism is: "An Anarchist Program" - Errico Malatesta.

Anarchism is a line of political thought that goes back for well over a century, with many branches and differing opinions; like any group, libertarian socialists are not a monolith. Anarchism, including anarchist communism, is a response not only to capitalism, but to other branches of leftist thought: while communist revolutions were taking place around the world, anarchists were there alongside them, critiquing the practices that continue to be critiqued today concerning communist projects with their focus on challenging power and unnecessary hierarchy: who has power over who, why, and is it strictly necessary? As someone once said: "Freedom without equality is the jungle. Equality without freedom is prison. I want neither the jungle nor prison." That is what classical anarchist thought brings to the table: it examines how society can be structured while providing both freedom and equality in a way that neither capitalist thinking nor other leftist schools of thought adequately address.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I already know your political positions: you posted a portrait of Mao.

Look, capitalism is broken. It's a terrible, terrible system - especially the ultra-capitalist society with ultra-billionnaires we have today. My personal opinion is that said ultra-billionnaires should face the pitchfork sooner rather than later.

But I also know enough history to know that communism is even worse. I don't know what the solution to capitalism is, but it's not Mao or Stalin. They can fuck right off.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you aren't at all interested in understanding my positions, got it. Have a good day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Indeed I am not. Like you yourself said, I'm not interested in spending this beautiful Friday arguing 🙂

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

not the answer, but an answer, in a very long list of possible solutions

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not negating the benefits here. But this answer is to a problem created by the very people providing the answer, except it only truly benefits the causes. Millions of empty homes, owned as investment properties by these firms. They're causing the housing market deficit, and are now providing a "generous" 150sqft closet for $850us per month.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

It's that scaling distotion on the two side-by-side plans that does it for me.
These shoeboxes come with some magical feng-shui thing that makes 20ft appear to be the same as 30ft.

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