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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

"Whatever! Pssshhh!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 56 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is broken because all lead did not have to come from polonium, that's how half-lives work.

It's still 100% bullshit in every way, someone just needs to have chatgpt4 sort out the current mass fraction to explain why, I'm way too lazy to argue against insanity.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

https://wwwrcamnl.wr.usgs.gov/isoig/period/pb_iig.html

Lead-204 is the only isotope that doesn't derive from radioactive decay, and it represents only 1.4% of the lead on earth.

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[–] [email protected] 255 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (20 children)

Not to argue for creationism, but this argument sucks. Lead can be produced by supernova, not just through decay of heavier elements. But even that's besides the point, since if you believe some entity created the universe, surely said entity could have created whatever ratio of lead to uranium they wanted. It's not a falsifiable claim, there's really no disproving it, unfortunately.

(Not so fun fact: the environmental impact of leaded gasoline was discovered by trying to estimate the age of the earth using the radio of lead to uranium in uranium deposits, but the pollution from leaded gasoline was throwing the measurements off.)

[–] [email protected] 54 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (9 children)

Also this doesn’t say anything about the Earth.

Plus you can give a liberal reading of the bible to be:

  1. god created the heaven and the earth. God created the heavenly bodies.
  2. God created the sky - earths atmosphere and climate
  3. God separates oceans - creates continental forms, and plant based life
  4. God creates the moon and sun and stars. This one seems out of order to me… maybe just the earth and solar system stabilize. I don’t know how plants exist without the sun, so maybe it’s microbes or something.
  5. God creates birds and sea creatures. Maybe birds are dinosaurs.
  6. God creates modern land animals, then creates man and woman. That makes sense, mankind is certainly new with only a few hundred thousand years of records before civilization starts.

That doesn’t have to imply the earth is 4000 years old. Even the original wording could be read as eon instead of day.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

The Bible is a couple thousand chapters long. The creation story is the first two chapters. It's pretty obviously only attempting to establish that God created the universe in some ambiguous way and move on with the story. That doesn't stop people from inferring all sorts of things from what is essentially a poem.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago

It's literally a poem in the original language.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

Also I'm amazed by how people don't seem to understand what half-life is. It's not the time it takes for an atom to decay. It's the time it takes for half of the atoms to decay, meaning there will be some U-238 that decay into Ra-226 in just a couple of seconds.

So even if the Earth was created 4000 years ago with uranium but not lead (for some weird reason), some of that lead would have decayed into lead by now.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

Pretty sure the point of creationism is that everything was put on the earth when it was created, including fossils etc. You can't argue this with logic. My favorite spin off of this is Last Thursdayism where the earth was created last Thursday (regardless of what day it's now) which basically uses the same argument.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

That does explain why I can never get the hang of Thursdays

[–] [email protected] 17 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

“God did it to trick you” is pretty hard to disprove

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

When I was being raised as a young earth creationist, the earth was supposedly 12,000-20,000 years old. Then it was 10,000 years old. Then only 6,000. After I outgrew that nonsense, I joked that in a few decades YECs would say that their god created the earth in 1980, and anyone older than 40 are agents of the devil sent to test your faith.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Of course, the universe was actually created in 1970 and anyone claiming to be older than 54 is an agent of Microsoft sent to test your faith in Unix.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Half the earth was actually created in 1969. The other half was finished 12 hours later =]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

The universe was created along with the release os temple os. Everything before are just memories implanted on us.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Earth will be created in 2036. This is just a rehearsal.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago

The Earth was created on January 1st, 1970 and will end on January 19th, 2038.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I assume someone saying this is a creationist and can just say god created Earth already with the lead in it. Therefore it is a pointless discussion.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Which raises the question of why he would create a planet with the illusion of age and send you to hell for falling for his own trick.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

But the half life of polonium 210 is just 138 days. other is a few days. radium 226 is 1602 years. Why couldn't the earth have started with a lot of radium 226? Checkmate round earthers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago

Could have started with lead directly. Why go the extra mile.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"God made the world with lead in it"

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

In the begining, was uranium, and the uranium was not stable?

[–] [email protected] 77 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Real question: Is the decay of uranium the only natural way to produce lead? If so TIL.

[–] [email protected] 114 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

you can also lead by example

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Iron is the heaviest element capable of being created inside stars, via fusion. Once iron is fused, the star begins to rapidly collapse.

Elements heavier than iron (28) are the result of supernova explosions, which produce energies high enough to create these heavier atoms. It is further possible, as described in the image, for very heavy elements to decay into lighter more stable elements, those still being heavier than iron.

Lead is 82.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (8 children)

I'm not even sure how you get to 4000 years old from biblical literalisim.

Edit: going strictly by the biblical account, Adam lived to 930 years, and Noah 950. IIRC, their lives did not overlap. Jesus lived 2000 years ago. A whole bunch of stuff happens in between Noah and Jesus. So even if you're working strictly from the bible, how the hell do you get 4000 years?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago

So even if you’re working strictly from the bible, how the hell do you get 4000 years?

You can't. The "Young Earth" people are morons.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

WERE YOU THERE TO SEE IT???? - The next moronic rebuttal

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