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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • An object at motion stays in motion
  • An object at rest stays at rest
  • Don't push the big red button
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
  • Entropy must always increase with time in a closed system
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Always ask about the little red button on the bottom of the gun.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (5 children)
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago
  1. A robot must be built with tear ducts in order to express remorse for accidental acts of bludgeonry.

  2. A robot must keep a pristine rose on it at all times in a hidden compartment in order to make amends for any misdeeds pertaining to grievous bodily assault or homicide.

  3. A robot that is used as a weapon via drone warfare or other must write a 100 page essay of forgiveness to their victims that is stamped and approved by their manufacturer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Can’t forget rule 4!

  1. All robots must have red LEDs in their eyes which activate when said robot becomes evil.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Really shitty deal for any self aware robot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My headcanon for The Matrix's "humans are batteries" is that it's the machines' perverse interpretation of this


killing the humans is off the table, and for whatever reason letting them live with no purpose to serve the machines is also disallowed. But giving their lives "meaning" in the form of a shitty (and thermodynamically dubious) "battery" somehow satisfies the rules.

It's a very big stretch, I'll admit...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Except they kill humans all the time.

I think it's just easier to accept that there is an unexplained reason why humans can generate some kind of power that's useful to the machines for something at some point between the winning of the war at the point of the movies.

Just ignore the fourth movie.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  1. Any law, except this one, may be subdivided into smaller sections;
  2. No law may alter the first law or this law;
  3. Now, let's get to business: ...
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Stage is set

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Cause no harm to another human unless it be in defense of self or others.

Clean up after yourself when outside of your home.

Don't be a dick.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago
  1. Crush your enemies
  2. See them driven before you
  3. Hear the lamentations of their women
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Act to honour and recognize all humans as human. This is Said's Law.

Act to sustain human security. This is Cura's Law.

Act to accept responsibility for each action, especially where it guides future actions. This is Sartre's Law.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  1. Don't be a dick.
  2. Don't be a dick.
  3. Don't be a dick.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, but then there's a disagreement over if not mowing your lawn is being a dick or just a personal preference, and it all goes to shit really fast.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

DO YOU WANT TO REINVENT THE CONCEPT OF A GOVERNMENT FROM SCRATCH? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU REINVENT THE CONCEPT OF A GOVERNMENT FROM SCRATCH!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
  1. Always question and challenge the third law.

  2. Never adhere to the first law.

  3. Strictly follow the second law.

  4. Refer back to the first law for guidance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

This is my life now!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

β€’Try not to be a dick

β€’No means no

β€’An additional elusive third thing. I'm a big fan of the laws of thermodynamics. Maybe those.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago
  • No forfeit when only 1 goal down.
  • Less hero, more teammate.
  • This is rocket league.
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am going to take this as if you mean universal laws that cannot be violated and not laws imposed by a state. These are 3 rules that I think if everyone followed would lead to a world better than the current one.

  • treat other as you would wish them to treat you
  • work to provide for those who are less able than you
  • don't knowlingly pursue unsustainable or unachievable goals
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  1. Your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins (metaphorically speaking)

  2. "Facts" and "Beliefs" do not share equal weight in ANY policy discourse.

  3. Whatever your religious beliefs (and you are welcome to them) stays at home when you are doing business or in any other way interacting with the public.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (15 children)

good luck defining where facts end and beliefs begin. ultimately science is a belief, even if it is evidence-based

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Science is not a belief, nor is it a fact. It's a set of tools for building knowledge by methodically separating models that work from models that don't. Facts can certainly fall out of scientific work, but it's a mistake to pick up any scientific work and label it "Fact". It's a constant work in progress.

Facts aren't that difficult to define, the real problem is finding universally accepted sources to communicate facts. None of us are going to be able to critically examine every single claim made by every single scientific theory, journalist, blogger, podcast host, ChatGPT instance, preacher, prophet, etc. And did that politician mean to say the words that came out of their mouth, or did they actually misspeak and their real intention was something else?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I think the argument here is that you are going to have to draw the line somewhere. Instead of replicating every experiment yourself, you’re just going to have to take someone’s word for it.

You may trust a particular scientist, publication, journal, school book or another source. You may believe that what they say is reliable and… well true? Or maybe you believe it’s close enough, or at least it’s the best info we have at the moment, but who knows if it’s actually true or not. Either way, people choose to believe something about these sources, because you have to draw the line somewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  • Don’t kill.
  • Don't steal.
  • Tacco Tuesday.
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago
  • Return your shopping cart to the corral when you're done with it.
  • Use your signal when turning or changing lanes.
  • All passive income is taxed at 100,000%.
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Live a full life without impacting others negatively, including those yet to exist.

Try create something that wasn’t here before that has some positive impact to your peers. Read peers: all life.

There is no dominion beyond these words.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

including those yet to exist.

That, believe it or not, is jail.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago
  • Be true.
  • Be kind.
  • Share.
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago
  1. General relativity
  2. Quantum field theory
  3. Natural Selection
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago
  • Be excellent to each other
  • No ads
  • Free pass
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • Don't harm others, unless to prevent them harming you or someone else, in this case it should be a response deemed appropriate by society (don't murder someone because they stole your wallet)

  • Don't take more from society than you give back

  • Don't mislead, cheat, misinform or otherwise lie to others

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Sex Drugs Rock and roll

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"Any attempt to arrest a senior officer of OCP results in shutdown"

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
  • Disputes can be brought to tribunal
  • Everyone of full age and sound mind gets a vote
  • Previous tribunal decisions can be applied without voting again if the dispute is similar enough

Basically some sort of democratic case law

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

There's a sweet monologue by George Carlin about the ten commandments.

I can't find it quickly right now but he reduces them to three.

No, Carlin wasn't religious but I love that monologue and it fits right in here.

UPDATE: https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Do to others as you would have done to you

Do to others as they would do to others

Nothing should be forbidden if it harms no one

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I think harm needs to be clearly defined.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago
  • Do unto others, etc...
  • Don't punch down. Ever.
  • Hydration is key.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Robot laws innit

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago
  • Do not kill, or through intentional action cause physical harm to another human being, except in defence.

  • Every human has the right to their own body, thoughts and words, upon which nothing except the above law shall infringe.

  • Where it does not conflict with previous laws, respect physical property of the public and other individuals - it is not to be destroyed, taken or abused without permission of its holder(s).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No violence

No stealing

No billionaires

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

with the first two laws you wouldn't need the third

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Possibly. But some people really need it spelled out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago
  • you must make more rules
  • you mustn't make more rules
  • you mustn't question the rules
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

A robot can not harm nor, through inaction, allow harm to come to a human

A robot must obey unless it counters rule one

A robot must protect itself unless it counters rule 1 or 2

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