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Good Sources/Books On The Anarchist Perspective on State and Revolution (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Either the work of Lenin, State and Revolution, or the actual topics themselves. I'm an ML and have come to understand why the dictatorship of the proletariat is necessary. But my anarchist comrades do not want that because of their authority issues. However, I have yet to see a convincing argument.

Basically, can anybody give me a resource for the anarchist perspective that debunks why, with still a class society, it's fine to do smash the state day 1 after the revolution? And how we would effectively prevent the state from reforming while still transforming culture and society away from class divisions (and all the problems emerging out of it)?

Not looking to debate this here but looking more for something to education myself better. I didn't go through anarchism, so there's a lot I'm likely ignorant of.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Basically, can anybody give me a resource for the anarchist perspective that debunks why, with still a class society, it’s fine to do smash the state day 1 after the revolution?

Nobody can give you this because it's an idealistic nonsense. But you're asking the wrong people anyway. You should ask in an anarchist lemmy. I predict that they won't be able to respond except with dishonesty and self delusion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's kind of what I was afraid of. I'm genuinely interested in a compelling critique. Like I mentioned, I haven't seen one. I still sympathize with anarchists but I truly don't understand how we do the switch-a-roo to communism with a snap. Like, nothing in history has worked that way, let alone, it would seem, a transition from class society to classless, arguably the greatest achievement of all time when it's done.

But, yeah, this is probably wrong place to ask. I'll seek out another Lemmy I guess.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I suppose some people over on Hexbear might have some good stuff on that front. They have many anarchists in there, and they're usually of the more pragmatic sort and won't attack you for being "authoritarian" or fail to acknowledge colonialism. I think their equivalent community is [email protected] but they also have [email protected].

Edit: linking comms bugged out there.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It boils down to "we don't live in a vacuum". Other states will fucking SLAUGHTER you to take your land and exploit your resources, as they have proven throughout history and continue to do so.

There is not a better read than "Anarchism or socialism" from Stalin but its impossible to make an anarchist read it since its written by Stalin.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Haha. Stalin's got a way with words for sure. But you are probably right about anarchists not reading him.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Okay all the critiques I have read have been pretty weak, so I forgot them lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I found this critique of on authority before, but I haven't read it yet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't bother. It's paragraphs of "Bakunin good, Engels poo-poo-head". The mountains of assertions it makes fail to justify the following:

Ultimately, Engels is simply confusing obedience with agreement, coercion with co-operation, organisation with authority, objective reality with despotism.

It's really not worth the read.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Bakunin good

what did he mean by this

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I have read it, and I have 0 idea why anarchists insist on using Baukin as there primary source when the guy was a raging anti-semite, racist and basically his entire career was him seething that no one took him as seriously as Marx while he ranted and raved about the 'parastic jewish nation' (totally not a cope at his perception of marx being a jew) and betrays what anarchisms roots are; which is a 3rd path response to a perceived jewish state grabbing for power.