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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (16 children)

[https://x.com/shinboson/status/1846000415793463684?s=46](Roko gets dunked on.)

He had some remarkable tweets a few weeks back about how he was the equal of billionaires or some shit. I wish I had shared it.

Is he some kind of computer fondler irl?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

he's a mathematician, is or was a lecturer somewhere i think

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Quick sidenote, you cocked up the formatting on the hyperlink - you're supposed to put [text in square brackets and](the link in circle brackets) like this

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I suspect it's the frontend on awful that fucked this up, viewing their post in plain/preview shows the correct formatting

placing my bet on the trailing .

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

it may be helpful to know that, at least on the platforms I have tried, you can highlight text and paste a link, and the awful.systems will handle the bracketing for you.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

Zitron's given commentary on PC Gamer's publicly pilloried pro-autoplag piece:

He's also just dropped a thorough teardown of the tech press for their role in enabling Silicon Valley's worst excesses. I don't have a fitting Kendrick Lamar reference for this, but I do know a good companion piece: Devs and the Culture of Tech, which goes into the systemic flaws in tech culture which enable this shit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Musk's twitter is unleashin/g/ the worst posters that the CS world has to offer

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the raw, mediocre teenage energy of assuming you can pick up any subject in 2 weeks because you’ve never engaged with a subject more complex than playing a video game and you self-rate your skill level as far higher than it actually is (and the sad part is, the person posting this probably isn’t a teenager, they just never grew out of their own bullshit)

given how oddly specific “application auth protocol” is, bets on this person doing at best minor contributions to someone else’s OAuth library they insist on using everywhere? and when they’re asked to use a more appropriate auth implementation for the situation or to work on something deeper than the surface-level API, their knowledge immediately ends

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

have implemented jwt (used the library, first in the company)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

so uh, they keep self-fellating on Twitter about how they invented their own CAD program over the objections of the haters

here it is, it’s an extremely thin wrapper around the typescript version of manifold with live reloading on changes. note that not only is manifold already a CAD library, they already have a web-based editor that reloads the model on code changes, and kache’s live reloading is just nodemon. the server part looks like it’s barely modified from a code example. the renderer is just three.js grabbed from a CDN.

it’s so weird they didn’t take the necessary 2 weeks to learn how to write the CAD parts of the CAD system they made!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

hackers and builders (both in the a16z definition of) are some of the fucking worst things out there today

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Marc the Builder employs many elite code ninjas who are experts at prompting ChatGPT for npm commands

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

the absolute worst type of coworker from my cubicle days: heard about a technology at a conference, decided they invented it

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

twitter gon' have nothin' left but the cranks

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Just guys like that and guys like this

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

This person has certainly committed to this philosophy, even to the extent of spending less than one week of thought coming to this very conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fun fact: The plain vanilla physics major at MIT requires three semesters of quantum mechanics. And that's not including the quantum topics included in the statistical physics course, or the experiments in the lab course that also depend upon it.

Grad school is another year or so of quantum on top of that, of course.

(MIT OpenCourseWare actually has fairly extensive coverage of all three semesters: 8.04, 8.05 and 8.06. Zwiebach was among the best lecturers in the department back in my day, too.)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

I almost want to go Twitter diving to see if kache has the requisite unhinged rant about how universities are only making quantum physics hard to get money/because of woke or whatever

e: holy shit I already regret this

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

yeah, 3b1b animations can take you through all of undergrad math in probably a month if it all existed and you used anki

We could bottle this arrogance and sell it as an emetic.

And besides, we all know that mathematics videos peaked with the Angle Dance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

as one of many people here who has undergone undergrad math, i reckon a month of youtube and anki might not be enough for even intro to linear algebra. I’m even saying this as someone who skipped all lectures and crammed before all the tests.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (14 children)

oh, cool, they also claim to be a twitter engineer. that’s probably telling too (if true)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

yeah don't do it to yourself. I forget how I originally noticed this weirdo, it may have been through amolitor99's continuous anthropology safari of TPOT freaks. Speaking of which, somebody needs to get that guy over here

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

i have tried occasionally but will try again

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Oh. He retweets Cremieux.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I need to look up what auth protocols this guy has worked on so I can stay away from them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

conversely, it might be a rich vein of toctou

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

As anyone who's been paying attention already knows, LLMs are merely mimics that provide the "illusion of understanding".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

v light, only weakly techtakes material, but I'm immature enough to want to share:

spoilerI just got a sales email from "Richard at Autodesk" titled "Hear from the probing experts"

Does anyone read these things before or after they're sent?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Does anyone read these things before or after they’re sent?

It sounds like spam - by my guess, they usually aren't read at all.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

New pair of Tweets from Zitron just dropped:

I also put out a lengthy post about AI's future on MoreWrite - go and read it, its pretty cool

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Boo! Hiss! Bring Saltman back out! I want unhinged conspiracy theories, damnit.

It feels like this is supposed to be the entrenchment, right? Like, the AGI narrative got these companies and products out into the world and into the public consciousness by promising revolutionary change, and now this fallback position is where we start treating the things that have changed (for the worse) as fair accompli and stop whining. But as Ed says, I don't think the technology itself is capable of sustaining even that bar.

Like, for all that social media helped usher in surveillance capitalism and other postmodern psychoses, it did so largely by providing a valuable platform for people to connect in new ways, even if those ways are ultimately limited and come with a lot of external costs. Uber came into being because providing an app-based interface and a new coat of paint on the taxi industry hit on a legitimate market. I don't think I could have told you how to get a cab in the city I grew up in before Uber, but it's often the most convenient way to get somewhere in that particular hell of suburban sprawl unless you want to drive yourself. And of course it did so by introducing an economic model that exploits the absolute shit out of basically everyone involved.

In both cases, the thing that people didn't like was external or secondary to the thing people did like. But with LLMs, it seems like the thing people most dislike is also the main output of the system. People don't like AI art, they don't like interacting with chatbots in basically anywhere, and the confabulation problems undercut their utility for anything where correlation to the real world actually matters, leaving them somewhere between hilariously and dangerously inept at many of the functions they're still being pitched for.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Max Tegmark has taken a break from funding neo-Nazi media to blather about Artificial General Intelligence.

As humanity gets closer to Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)

The first clause of the opening line, and we've already hit a "citation needed".

He goes from there to taking a prediction market seriously. And that Aschenbrenner guy who thinks that Minecraft speedruns are evidence that AI will revolutionize "science, technology, and the economy".

You know, ten or fifteen years ago, I would have disagreed with Tegmark about all sorts of things, but I would have granted him default respect for being a scientist.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

The first image in that second link is perhaps the most incoherent political cartoon I've ever seen. Why is Uncle Sam as played by Angry Jeff Bridges wearing the Chinese flag as a cape??

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

After he started rambling about his Mathematical Universe Hypothesis, it was obvious his brain was cooked.

As humanity gets closer to Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)

Arrow of time and all that, innit? And God help me, I actually read part of the post as well as the discussion comments where the prompt fondlers were lamenting that all it takes is one rogue ai code to end the world because it will "optimize against you!" I assume Evil GPT is constructing anti matter bombs using ingredients it finds under the kitchen sink.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is just straight-up gossip, but why not:

Tegmark used to go around polling physicists at conferences about which interpretation of quantum mechanics they prefer. A colleague of mine said that they were sitting near Tegmark and saw him fudging the numbers in his notes — erasing the non-Many Worlds tallies from those who said they supported Many Worlds as well as others, IIRC.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

A tally mark that has been shifted unethically in order to win a nerd fight is now called a tegmark.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Bless. You know I'm here for the hot goss.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

According to the Wikipedia article on Bell's theorem, the physicist Tsung-Dao Lee "came close to" inventing it independently. Word from people who would know is that he actually got it, deriving a no-go theorem for local hidden variables that was basically the same as the one Feynman gave much later. But the only documentation for this is in e-mails that have never been published, so nobody can fix the Wikipedia page.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I remember he went on julia galef's podcast to talk about the MUH and she was like "but what does that mean" and simple questions like that and he flailed, it was painful to hear

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Speaking of twitter shit, I'm sad that it's back online in Brazil.

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