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[–] 81 points 2 years ago (35 children)

White capitalism is what made black people slaves and pushed them into poverty.

Perhaps we need new ideas that help everyone.

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  • [–] 82 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    White capitalism

    This is just called capitalism.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I mean, it gives deference to rich people, but when it was legal to discriminate against POC, they had a massive disadvantage in pretty much every aspect of their lives. Not perfect, but much improved now...

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Capitalism is the Sociopath's Ideology and hence it will always promote the use of any power advantages to exploit the less powerful, with no consideration for the fellings of others or harm done to them, for fairness or for morality.

    Which is why it had to be something outside Capitalism to push for fairer treatment of POC and even then every single day in America it's an uphill fight for those amongst them who remain disadvantaged: that previous exploitation of them as powerless due to their ethnicity meant that when the discriminatory treatment on the color of their skin was reduced (not eliminated, but certainly comparativelly much reduced), they ended up poor people and hence still the victims of discrimination and exploitation, because the poor too are less powerful than most and hence exploited to the max under Capitalism, and as an overexploited group it's incredibly harder for them to pull themselves out of poverty or help their children do so, which means that situation is entrenched.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I think it's fucking bullshit they murdered Fred Hampton and got away with it.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Capitalism has race now? Or are they suggesting to use race as a product?

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    "Black capitalism" is historically the approach of some African American* communities and individuals to resist racial oppression by embracing capitalism and out-competing whites in it, essentially. This met its most famous manifestation in Tulsa, Oklahoma, which developed a wealthy black capitalist class, but neighboring white towns got mad at this and basically leveled a good portion of the town and killed many people. For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

    The most famous "black capitalism" proponent is the Jamaican-born American Marcus Garvey, who some Rastafarians worship as a prophet. To poison the well immediately, he was supported by the KKK in his projects to send African Americans "back to" Africa, because their ideologies and aims of ethnonationalism broadly aligned.

    *It's mostly an American thing, but it's not exclusively an American thing by any means

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    For reasons beyond me, some liberals hold up Tulsa as some wonderful thing and proof that black people should just be more engaged in capitalism, and they ignore how the experiment ended.

    The easy answer is that racism destroyed Tulsa, not capitalism. Were it not for racist fucks, that experiment would have worked wonderfully. But that's a tale as old as time, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

    If racism just sprang from the ground or from defects in people's souls, that would make sense. Racism is a superstructural tool of capitalism. It's a little more obvious how the two are in union when you look at things like the Transatlantic slave trade, but keeping black people as an underclass serves in capital's interest to this day.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Capitalism has always had a form of race, but it's a social hierarchy.

    Class.

    It has always been class. The lie that gets sold to middle America is that one day, they too will be of a higher class.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Capitalism can't help anyone out of poverty at least not without exploiting masses.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    You know that's really a brilliant rebuttal.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I had to read the second post twice to understand what it’s saying due to the non-standard grammar. But I’m a foreign speaker.

    I’m asking an honest question out of curiosity: Was this easily legible to you?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Yes, it was very clear (native speaker here). Something like this is more commonly spoken than written, so I can see why it might be confusing. If your experiencing with English is more formal (via education, reading, etc) vs talking to a whole bunch of different people, that would explain it.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    "Ain't" can be kind of difficult. It can mean "are not," "am not," "is not," "has not," or "have not." Aside from that, the statements should be separated with a period, and "it's" was used instead of "is it." Also, they use "the fuck" instead of "what the fuck."

    "Ain't" is pretty common in casual speech now, and the rest is relatively common in internet speech, so it was pretty easy to read for me.

    "Capitalism hasn't solved white people's poverty. What the fuck is it going to do for us?"

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Or maybe race doesn't really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I agree, white capitalism is so last year, get with the latest fashion and use black capitalism.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean, it helped bolster rationale for enslaving black people. It's fair to say that capitalism tips the scales, steals your car, and then runs over your neighbor before disappearing with your spouse and your dog/cat.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    It didn't just bolster the rationale for enslaving black people, it largely executed the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Those boats weren't publicaly owned, and neither were the captured slaves, the slavers were entrepreneurs and their employees doing business.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    True? Yes.

    Funny? Not really.

    /c/depressing would be a better fit

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Thank fuck.

    White people get pegged for rich people bullshit too much.

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