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The myth of black capitalism (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 10 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Or maybe race doesn't really exist outside our dumb little brains and capitalism was the real problem all along

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Not to imply that ethnic/cultural tensions never existed before in history, but capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression, and of pitting working class people against each other.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    capitalism created racism as a tool of oppression

    Except that is simply not true. Capitalism is far more recent that racism, unless of course you define capitalism as just "everything bad". Racism exist because of tribalism and collectivism, capitalism is a recent individualist system- and individualism amongst governments is fairly recent.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I am not defining capitalism as just everything bad, and capitalism is not as recent as you think. You may be thinking of industrial capitalism, which is a more recent development.

    Historical Foundations of Race

    American society developed the notion of race early in its formation to justify its new economic system of capitalism, which depended on the institution of forced labor, especially the enslavement of African peoples.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    I am not defining capitalism as just everything bad, and capitalism is not as recent as you think.

    No that's pretty recent, racism is millennia old. Furthermore, yes mixed economies exist, actually now they're basically the only thing that exists.

    American society developed the notion of race early in its formation to justify its new economic system of capitalism, which depended on the institution of forced labor, especially the enslavement of African peoples.

    I disagree that it was capitalism that needed racism to be justified, since slavery is anti-capitalistic. But yes, fake "racial science" was used to justify slavery, that however was not the origin of racism. Roman and Greek and many other empires used ethnic/racial division to justify their oppression. Even the Mongols whose empire was "cool and accepting" by ancient empire standards still had strong sentiments of a Mongol race being different from others.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Brains are part of the world, and so are human behaviors. So long as racism exists, race as a sociological category is undeniably real.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Indeed brains are real and we are really fucking good at making the consequences of said brain's beliefs just as real. But, recognizing that things such as race have absolutely no scientific, empirical basis whatsoever is kinda a really important step in repairing the racist damage that we've done. Race is only useful in sociology as long as we continue to pretend it exists, otherwise it serves no purpose other than as an excuse to hate each other.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Capitalism or socialism or anything else is irrelevant when most people are dumb, easy to manipulate and ready to harm others. There will always be someone willing to be a leader of these people, harming others to gain something.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    "I am 14 and this is deep" material here. No analysis of anything, no thoughts, just an edgy nothingburger.

    What about Socialism is "irrelevant" if most people are "dumb?"

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    That they still fall for the same manipulation as anyone else.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    That's not an answer, lmao

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did. Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events. They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated. Some their whole life without ever knowing any different. The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    How is the answer no? Socialism killed just as many innocence people as Nazis did.

    No. Read Blackshirts and Reds. Socialism doubled life expectancied in Russia and China, it saved millions of lives.

    Capitalism likely more than both, but spread out over time and the world instead of localized events.

    Fascism is Capitalism in decay.

    They are thinking they somehow do the right thing while begin monsters, because that is how they were manipulated.

    Your fanfiction isn't reality.

    The same way Russians think they need to destroy Ukraine, Trump voters, North Koreans that Americans are baby eating monsters only stopped by their god-leaders good haircut, Hamas that killing Israeli civilians is great, etc.

    You do realize that you are more propagandized, right?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Mate, live expectancy went up because of general improvements due to better tech. Everywhere, just a little sooner or later depending on how quick they went from the classic farmers to more modern agriculture, medicine etc.

    My fanfiction is what happened and happens all over the world. Why do you think the Japanese thought they are so much better and committed atrocities? Because of their genes? What about the Nazis? What about the Americans genociding Indians? Australians the aboriginals? Etc. etc. all over the world throughout history.

    How am I "more propagandized" when I point out that these things exist? Explain.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Mate, live expectancy went up because of general improvements due to better tech.

    Partially, but vastly more due to huge social safety nets, like free healthcare and education, housing programs, and more, which were only possible because the Proletariat was in control.

    My fanfiction is what happened and happens all over the world.

    No, your fanfiction is ahistorical. The socialists saved countless lives, the Nazis campaigned on genocide.

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