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On Blahaj and 196 (hexbear.net)
submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Due to multiple factors, such as unaddressed ableist removals from the /c/196 moderators, defense of chasers, no-quarter rules regarding our users, leakage of good-faith DMs from our admin team, and a general lack of initiative to punish these behaviors, we have come to the conclusion that the 196 community on lemmy.blahaj.zone has made the fediverse an unsafe space for our queer, disabled, neurodivergent, non-western, and other marginalized comrades on this forum, and we will be defederating from lemmy.blahaj.zone until we can be confident that this will not continue to be an issue.

We have attempted to make good-faith parley with both the instance admin and the comm moderators, but we've reached a point which we feel that until these behaviors are addressed by instance administration, we can no longer continue to federate in good-faith while our users are being actively invalidated by a small-but-vocal portion of the forum. Once we are confident that these behaviors have ceased and are unlikely to continue, we are more-than-happy to refederate in the name of queer solidarity.

Thanks for bearing with us :07:

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fair.

I hope that the Blahaj admins hold queer people as more important than this behaviour and take action, so that we can federate again, I actually like some of their content. I think they will, if their previous statements are anything to go by, but we will see from this what their real priorities are.

If I were adminning Blahaj I would purge the problematic 196 mod and replace them, as well as adding several significantly better mods to that team. This isn't complicated to resolve without losing the users, the mandate for removing a problematic mod like this is going to be very high. Exert some authority.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Exert some authority.

Proven authoritarian leftist, smh

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Sounds tankie to me. Much better to just let reactionaries trample trans spaces.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

As soon as I seen the [email protected] thread, blahaj had to go. Like every comrade in that thread was offended.

trans-dagger

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

so am i missing something or are the blahaj zone admins just letting that c/196 moderator go clout-drunk with power & fuck the vibes of their whole site lmao

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

that's exactly what's happening

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I hope there not afraid of a loss of activity if they reign in that com.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

we dwarf the activity of that comm - if that's what they were after, purging the comm was the way to go.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

From the blahaj 196 list of bannable things:

-saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad account

That was edited to

-saying anything remotely iffy with a lemmygrad or hexbear account

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Just down the list

  • tankie behavior.
  • nazi behavior.

Tankies higher on the list than Nazis, love it. Also their banner says "fuck tankies" now, I'm not sure if that's new or what.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

It said the tankie thing before and I immediately blocked blahaj's 196 when it came on my front-page because obviously they're libs and the Reddit one is super vaushy.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That's always been there, that's what the leaked DM was about.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I hope that this issue will be resolved in the future by the admins of blahaj.zone, they should cut that threat to their own userbase loose ASAP and instead work on actively onboarding trans subreddits instead of that place infested with chaser pests. I would love to see a bigger, unified queer community on lemmy and it hurts me that you had to make this decision, but at the same time i fully, 100% agree that with c/196 around, we couldn't maintain the safe space that this site has been since briefly after its inception when we purged the r/stupidpol crowd to make this more inclusive to our already large queer userbase. There's a lot of people who've helped me throughout my transition, but that list wouldn't be complete without those of you who made this the place where i could first talk about my gender exploration and experiment with my pronouns. We all owe it to our community to place safety before the desire to dunk on some of the most insufferable libs in the entire fediverse.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

a trans instance not banning transphobia just fucking blows my mind. hatred for chasers is something pretty universal amongst trans people.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Hating chasers is pretty universal among all LGBT+ people. Just ask bisexual women what they think of "unicorn chasers". Or ask lesbians how they feel about straight guys that try to "convert" them.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Incredibly based. Civility is a two way street, and I didn't like how we were bowing and scraping to get them to do us the favor of remaining federated. Hopefully some of their cooler users will migrate over

I also wish their Anarcho-Bidenist mod/admin team a very biden-leftist

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

didn't like how we were bowing and scraping to get them to do us the favor of remaining federated.

Preach, this shit's been obnoxious

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah that's what we're happy about. Until today the official stance from admins and mods had been appeasement. No linking to their posts, no tagging them, etc. etc.

All to appease these anti-communist doomscrollers that were always going to have a problem with us, and whose anti-communist attitudes would always give fash a way in. Nice of them to go mask off so soon.

We are the larger instance, with a larger queer community. We don't need them. I guess I don't get the point of your reply shrug-outta-hecks

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Now we can prove it was always bullsht, that it was never about behavior, not that they will care

but theres that

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Federation going awfully well;

You’ll love it, you’ll get to dunk on the libs! Ok, well not on their instances. But you can do it here! Ok, well actually no you can’t. We have to be nice to the liberals or they’ll defederate us.

gets defederated

Ok guys, I know the last thousand times haven’t gone as smoothly as planned, but we need to be nice to HeilHitler1488 or they’ll defederate us!

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Hopefully some of their cooler users will migrate over

Me with the "I'm gonna use Kbin because Lemmy's developed by a tankie" to "I'm gonna use Blåhaj because Kbin can't moderate transphobia" to "I'm gonna use Hexbear because Blåhaj can't moderate ableism" pipeline

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I am happy to report that this is the only online community I've ever been in where a minority of the userbase can raise issues and get them dealt with. it took some struggle the first time but we're very proud of the strong anti-bigotry stance we've collectively settled on, made all the stronger because it comes out of users, mods, and admins doing self-crit when these issues are brought forward.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ada's response is just...

pigpoop pigpoop

Edit: The ableist mod is still a mod of 196. Nice one, protecting racist people.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Bruh, they said to their mod "Ableism bad" so know that mods knows that they need to refine their ableist beliefs and veil them in language that affords them plausible deniability next time around.

What more can you ask for? An apology??

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

She doesn't get that it isnt enough to just chastise people, you have to give people being abhorrent the boot, otherwise the problem just continues.

The inability or unwillingness to deal with the various bigotries properly plus just the intense McCarthyism justifies the defed pretty well.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah I remember in the beginning of Chapo chat one of the mods was posting edgy atheist style stuff about Islam and they got booted immediately.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Back in the Discord days there was an admin who defended loli and instantly got banned

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

capitalist-laugh

Yep the instance with a slur filter is filled with slurs apparently

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

What do they say about liberals only being able to understand tone and not content/context?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The amount of reactionary content from the anti-tankie crowd is out of control on that instance. That's beyond a meaningless term and they have to be aware of it at this point. There's no one more openly authoritarian about the most heinous shit than these anti-tankie fascists.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

anti-tankie

I’ve been trying to push the term McCarthyist or neo-McCarthyist more, since that’s exactly what they are and the association with the anti communism of that dark period has a well deserved stigma attached, even among libs.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I was just saying that constantly being accused as being Russian/Chinese troll farmers is exactly McCarthyism.

Literally being accused of being foreign agents. Incredibly delusional.

In reality, it's WAY more likely that these libs are Langley bots or state funded propagandists, but we don't accuse them of that because I think the more obvious fact is that they are just people who actually believe stupid shit.

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