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submitted 2 years ago by dch82@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

This is a follow-up from my previous thread.

The thread discussed the question of why people tend to choose proprietary microblogging platfroms (i.e. Bluesky or Threads) over the free and open source microblogging platform, Mastodon.

The reasons, summarised by @noodlejetski@lemm.ee are:

  1. marketing
  2. not having to pick the instance when registering
  3. people who have experienced Mastodon's hermetic culture discouraging others from joining
  4. algorithms helping discover people and content to follow
  5. marketing

and I'm saying that as a firm Mastodon user and believer.

Now that we know why people move to proprietary microblogging platforms, we can also produce methods to counter this.

How do we get "normies" to adopt the Fediverse?

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[-] veeesix@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

I guess this ties into marketing, but I think rebranding the “fediverse” as the “social web” would be a good start. It has a broad neutral tone that I think is easier for regular people to latch on to.

[-] Live_Let_Live@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago
[-] fireweed@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Lemmy (or at least lemmy.world) was bonkers levels of buggy last summer during the reddit blackout. Like, literally unusable levels of buggy. Getting the word out that it's (mostly) bug-free now would probably be good, because I'm sure there were many redditors who tried it and quickly swore it off as a pile of shit.

Otherwise I'm in agreement that the instance-selection part of sign-up is a huge barrier, because what instance you choose is actually really important but it's overwhelming when you're just getting started. Plus not being able to migrate your account/communities/posts to another instance if yours goes to shit/shuts down/turns out to not fit your needs makes the fediverse feel really unstable.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

It was hit with a DDOS for an extended period of time. I suspect the attackers were successful in substantially hampering adoption of Lemmy as a whole.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

We don't. Normies made Reddit suck and they'll make Lemmy suck too. Always have at least a small barrier to tech entry. When anyone can use it then everyone will use it. So do you want Facebook? Because that's how you end up with fucking Facebook.

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 6 points 2 years ago

The Fediverse needs a hell of a lot of work before we can even consider mass adoption.

[-] B312@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

It’s way harder to find posts on mastodon compared to bluesky as you have to follow people to start getting a feed, whilst in bluesky they have a discovery feed. This makes it a way more streamlined experience for users, making bluesky and threads far more attractive to users than mastodon

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
  1. Stop calling it “the fediverse”
[-] Blaze@feddit.org 5 points 2 years ago

It's already happening.

People say Lemmy when they mean the link aggregator part of the Fediverse.

People say Mastodon when they mean the microblogging part.

And really okay, at least people get it: one name, one concept

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[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

With all due respect, fuck the normies. The fediverse is better off without them.

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[-] hitagi@ani.social 4 points 2 years ago

People have suggested making a portal/quiz for instance signups, but that adds to the barrier. There are also problems like how in-depth and inclusive it should be. It reminds me of Linux distro pickers that often suggest weird niche distros.

There are already big/default instances in the Fediverse though but there are people who actively discourage this. Maybe Mastodon just had a bad start and Bluesky learned from that. I wonder if Bluesky's PDS will be like Fediverse instances though. Many Fediverse instances are built around shared interests but the PDS just looks like a glorified handle.

Personally, I think the Fediverse discourse should shift to designing social media with decentralization in mind rather than mimicking mainstream social media with a "decentralized twist". I don't think the Fediverse will ever be as big as Twitter, but it doesn't have to be. It just needs to be sustainable enough to keep new conversations going.

Doesn't answer the question but maybe it's worth sharing anyway.

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[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Tell friends and family to get accounts on federated services you use. Word of mouth is how lots of websites get popular.

Recommend it when reddit comes up or gets mentioned.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

I don't even tell people I use Lemmy, let alone recommend it, because of how much authoritarian propaganda there is on here.

I love the idea and won't give up on it easily, and I hope other users can join me in making it a better place by calling out propaganda.

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[-] polarpear11@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I think I'd be considered a "normie" maybe. I'm not super tech savvy (maybe a bit more than the average person though as I'm a bit of a photoshop wizard and am interested in tech subjects).

What brought me to lemmy was my moral compass. I've used reddit since the late 00's so it was hard to let go but reddit just isn't what it used to be. I could no longer use Joey, my reddit app of choice so I abandoned it because what they did to Joey and other apps was bullshit.

I still find myself on reddit every now and then when I need information on something specific though. I haven't found communities on the fediverse that I connect with that are super active (things like houseplants, knitting, chronic pain, my specific city I live in, etc).

I use lemmy now for mindlessly scrolling before bed and news as I only use Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok for work so it's not leisurely for me to get on normie social media. I do find some interesting articles and funny memes and that's enough for now.

So maybe the key to get a more robust community is through pulling heart strings? Idk my husband still used reddit daily and I guess doesn't give a shit about the lax morals of the company 🤷🏼‍♀️

[-] 5teverin0@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I have to say, as something if a social media virgin, I am puzzled by #4. I have never been a Facebook, Instagram or Twitter user. Previous to getting into the Fediverse, the only platform I engaged with that could be considered social media was Reddit, and I left that behind because of the whole brewhaha over third-party clients.

Since finding my way here, I have become an enthusiastic user of Mastodon, Pixelfed and Lemmy. I could not have imagined that it would be easier to acclimate myself and i have not encountered any barriers to entry, or at least I have not recognized any.

Is my experience atypical?

[-] sachamato@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

A sweet interface like Sync for Lemmy and respectful content and engagement are the key to me.

[-] HarbingerOfTomb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

So I have been on Mastodon and Threads for quite awhile. I'm on BlueSky now too. Threads is the most enjoyable of the three by far. I don't see how marketing has to do with it in any way, but after spending some time on each, I prefer Threads. It's the only one that I've found content I wanted to engage with.

With Mastodon, I feel like I still can't get started. I'm not sure what to do.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not sure what to do.

On Mastodon, I used the search function to shotgun random topics that interest me, and then followed all the hashtags on the posts that came up.

Over time, I started replacing following hashtags with following my favorite users who I discovered through those hashtags.

Then I started discovering and following their favorite users through their boosts.

Now that my feed is pretty much where I want it I tend to click "hide boosts" on anyone new that I follow, to prevent their every random amusement from cluttering my feed.

The end result is fantastic, but it took awhile to get there.

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[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I prefer Threads.

You are a very brave person.

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