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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I will be a bit vague with parts of this but hopefully this will be of interest to some of you. Apologies in advance that this might be more a list of disjointed thoughts than really a chronological recount.

I was born in the US and I am part of the Chinese diaspora. I haven't been back since before covid.

I've mentioned this on a couple other parts of lemmygrad but I went on a trip that was funded by the chinese government, essentially a group tour around china. My one complaint is that 13+ museums in a 10 day span is... a bit much.

One thing I found interesting was the amount of communist imagery present. You'll find it if you're out and about on the city, or in the entrance of museums/parks if you're looking for it. Especially the "Socialism Core Values" sign, I saw a ton of those signs. I know that because I was visiting I saw a ton more than I would in day to day life, and I don't think it would feel too intrusive in day to day life, but it maybe felt slightly excessive to a visitor? I definitely prefer them than advertisements, like on Line 5 of the Chongqing Metro.

As for the cities, they were really nice. Really interestingly, though, because the second tier cities I was at developed later than for example Nanjing, the environment was a lot cleaner and modern than Nanjing actually. The cities are decently walkable, tons of metro/bus, didi(chinese uber) is incredibly cheap, and there are tons of public bikes/e-bikes to rent. Streets were clean of trash, tho the older places didn't have trash per se, but rather gave a dirty vibe. The new parts of china are better than the US, and the old parts are worse. China is still definitely a developing country, which is sometimes easy to forget with how fast it's developing.

On another note, the common sentiment i've heard is that 发展, development, has been really fast. This is obvious to even us from the west, but it's really hard to think that there are people living from pre-解放(pre-1949, pre-liberation, pre-cpc? idk the best term to translate this), serfs, essentially, who have seen the country develop to this extent. For example, a taxi driver I was talking to on the way to a HSR station, mentioned that the district we were driving through was just barren dirt when he was a child.

The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people’s material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People’s Republic was that we didn’t pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Pauperism is not socialism, still less communism …

- Deng Xiaoping

It was also really interesting to see things i've read about like, 绿水青山就是金山银山(i think it translates to lucid waters and lush mountains are invaluable assets?, it works a bit more poetically in chinese i swear). However seeing it in like the really pretty parks they've constructed is a lot different than just reading about it i think.

There still are definitely contradictions within china. One thing i've heard is the pressures of having to provide a house and car from the son's family(tho the tradition varies by province and is better in some), housing prices, and not great state of the economy.

as for food - really good. i typically eat chinese food at home anyways so it was so great coming back to china eating-wise. Also there is this mountain in chongqing that is literally full of just hotpot restraints.

As for traditions, i think it can be a bit overbearing at times. 面子, face, and like gift culture is much too roundabout for my tastes. However, I do get a pass for when i don't follow them because i'm a foreigner(it'd be even more if you were like white), but still I feel like it's a bit much... mandatory gifts at every occasion makes it almost like less special to give gifts and also genuinely a burden to get gifts for everyone...

Prices - oh my god everything felt so cheap. Some of the best milk tea i've had for 20 yuan(3 bucks). didi(ubers) for like 10-20 yuan for like even a (10+) min ride. My friend got meituan(chinese doordash?) delivery for neck pillows right before his flight and it came same hour. Everyone uses QR codes here(!!), and there are portable chargers for rent everywhere. I'm not joking when i say everything is so much more convenient here. FRUIT IS SO CHEAP, my heart can't take $6 watermelons at sams club after the prices in china... I don't think people in china understand how bad it is in the west like living/convenience wise. I mentioned to a massage lady that the wage for a service worker is like 40k+ and they got so excited about that prospect because in china that would be a very large wage. However, because they're considering china prices they don't understand how hard it would be to live on that much because of how insane housing and cost of living prices are in america.

TO ADD ON, hotels are so cheap. Genuine 5 star hotel for $100, luxury chinese hotel for like $50 too. Like for rent you can actually star for multiple months in a nice chinese hotel.

Speaking of prices, qinghua(tsinghua uni), beida(peking uni), and other schools are less than 1k a year in tuition. what the hell. I'm going my state uni and i'm still having to pay 20k in tuition.

I swear the malls here are so much better. a random mall i went to in a second tier city was better than literally any mall i've been to in america. And look at this mall in chongqing(the pastries were so good, not too sweet)

And a mall in Xiamen had rock climbing, an art studio, indoor skiing(which idk how that works), a rentable kitchen space, and such good milk tea.

And finally, the HSR and metro experience.

Honestly, I don't have many comments on the HSR, and I think that's the biggest compliment I can give it. You go through security that's really quick, wait for your train(unfortunately it was so jam packed i didn't get a seat some of the time i've ridden it) then get on and you really don't feel much when riding it. It's quite quiet and not much vibration at all. The fact that it was so non-memorable makes it all the more impressive. Big cool station and trains and good smooth experience.

As for the metro, it was very nice a lot cleaner and more modern than the NY and toronto metros. The fare ranges from 1-7 yuan depending on how far you go, (0.15 cents to 1 dollar), and you can just scan a QR code on wechat to pay. ALSO they have different air conditioning depending on the car which is really cool. Full platform screen doors too(and not screen doors, but other barriers at elevated stations).

ya'll should ever go back to china if you get the chance. The most unforunate part is that there are a lot less flights and they're a lot more expensive post-covid. Your flight will probably be the most expensive part of your trip...

anyways that was a lot of yapping, i'm still a bit jet-lagged so i'll end it here. feel free to ask any questions

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[-] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Thanks for sharing! This mostly mirrors my own short experience in PRC (a short visit to Shanghai). Can't wait for a chance to visit China again!

Nature, technology, buildings, culture, the museums, the people, just about everything is amazing.

Some problems I encountered as a non-Chinese person, and tips to overcome them, for anyone interested in visiting China to be ready for:

  1. Connecting to the Internet, even to Wi-Fi, requires verification with a Chinese SIM card. I didn't care to get one in time so I was mostly offline for much of the time.
  2. Many people, especially older people, don't know foreign languages, esp. English. You can use the great voice recognition translator in the AliPay app, but you need Internet for that.
  3. Don't forget to bring an adaptor for the power outlets!

Also, for anyone who wants to buy theory books in PRC: unfortunately literature in foreign languages seems extremely scarce, since the vast majority of books is of course in Chinese. Only once did I find an English translation of Xi's works.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

God I miss China. I got to live there for 5 months while teaching English, and the only thing I hated was my job and the other Americans. Insufferable libs to a man. Not being able to speak or understand Mandarin, I couldn't make friends with the locals, sadly. There was this place I'd always eat. 14 yuan for a massive bowl of pork, peppers, and noodles. I think that's, like... $2.

If I could go back and do a job I'd like, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Thank you for sharing your experience. It brings back good memories.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Thanks for sharing this!

not great state of the economy.

I have a question about this, how did you see this reflected in the things you saw? Did you get any insight into how it's affecting day-to-day life? I've heard this plenty from Chinese liberals, but given their bias and all the "China collapse" stories that have been circulating for many years now, I'm always a bit skeptical.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Hm... the malls were more empty than you'd expect, except at like the super big places. I think the places locals would actually frequent and super big attractions still had a lot of people. I just remember this one mall in nanchang was mostly empty... And i've heard multiple people say the economy isn't as great in non-political situations. It's likely that the average citizen can feel that the economy isn't as growing as fast as before, but I don't ever hear "China Collapse," no one would say that china would collapse I feel.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Ok, thanks for the reply. It does sound somewhat similar to what I've heard (empty shopping malls), but not quite as dire as others would make it seem. All I hear is the economy is so bad and people are unhappy and the government is struggling to keep order but it seems blown out of proportion since the arguments for this are always the real estate bubble and how empty the shopping malls are.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

As somebody who came back 5 years ago also, the core socialist values campaign is new. In 2019 anti-terrorism promotion was everywhere, though my memory is pretty foggy since I was young back then.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Damn, a hotel in China is cheaper than my rent.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

right? it's mind blowing to me how cheap everything is in comparison. The most expensive part about my trip was my plane ticket... hopefully it goes down to precovid prices.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

I wanted to ask someone with experience; with the state of their modern rail-system/public transport how fast and how expensive would it be for one to travel from a city like Ningbo or Tianjin and reach the other side of the country, somewhere in Xizang for example?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Nice... I hope I'd learn some Chinese or something, to be able to go there...

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Sounds amazing! Thanks for sharing.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Lol there is "birthright" for 华人? Anyways thanks for sharing your experiences!

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Based on what I’ve read there doing lots of trips with different themes for any Americans under 40.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"I’ve mentioned this on a couple other parts of lemmygrad but I went on a trip that was funded by the chinese government, essentially a group tour around china. My one complaint is that 13+ museums in a 10 day span is… a bit much."


Yeah, I can imagine.

I too have been going through a lot of vacations lately in the past few years and they were all... rushed.


"One thing I found interesting was the amount of communist imagery present. You’ll find it if you’re out and about on the city, or in the entrance of museums/parks if you’re looking for it. Especially the “Socialism Core Values” sign, I saw a ton of those signs. I know that because I was visiting I saw a ton more than I would in day to day life, and I don’t think it would feel too intrusive in day to day life, but it maybe felt slightly excessive to a visitor? I definitely prefer them than advertisements, like on Line 5 of the Chongqing Metro."


Love to see it!


"It was also really interesting to see things i’ve read about like, 绿水青山就是金山银山(i think it translates to lucid waters and lush mountains are invaluable assets?, it works a bit more poetically in chinese i swear). However seeing it in like the really pretty parks they’ve constructed is a lot different than just reading about it i think."


We have nothing really like that slogan here in the USA...


"anyways that was a lot of yapping, i’m still a bit jet-lagged so i’ll end it here. feel free to ask any questions"


Have you brought back any theoretical books at all? Those not translated into English so you can read them yourself?

Not much to say on my part; I have more questions than comments, tbh, though I'm still gathering my thoughts.

I have a friend named "Zoro" on Discord who is in China (on the Second Thought server) or just came back from an extensive trip.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

My desire to visit grows every day

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

ya’ll should ever go back to china if you get the chance

While I'm just a cracker in Burgerland, this was neat to read about. It would be cool to visit China someday and it sounds like you had a great experience (although I'd probably want to be able to speak some Chinese lol)

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

LOL yes it would probably be a lot better experience with some chinese knowledge. Also if you can somehow meet a chinese person and have them show you around(maybe try a language exchange idk), that would be cool too.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Thank you for sharing, this was very interesting to read!

And yeah, 13 museums in 10 days sounds like too much, but i suppose it depends on how big the museums are... I'd say the optimal amount would be one museum every two days, so you have time to really absorb everything and also do something else in between the museum days to keep it varied.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

This looks like a rad trip, thx comrade. Makes me really want to go to chongqing.

One question: how difficult is it to get to hiking / nature destinations (at least in the areas you know)? Are there bus lines that go to those type places, or do you have to use didi / rent a car?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Reading rn.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

what's the deal with the chinese government funded trip? is it for diaspora or what?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

yes, for overseas diaspora

[-] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

sounds like it was a pretty good experience

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