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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I still can't get over how over half a million people have died for genuinely stupid reasons. Ukrainian militias were literally committing a genocide in Donbas and all the Ukrainian government had to do was behave like any other country on the planet and take those terrorists out; it's literally their job and all that's required is they apply their existing laws. You also had NATO taunting Russia and Ukraine actually playing along.

I don't even know how many of the original damn terrorists who were mass murdering people in Donbas are even still around; all Ukraine had to do was be normal. There could have been peace earlier but we blocked it; I don't even know how that works, why the hell did Ukraine go along with that?

Over half a million lives lost and the conflict extended for such stupid reasons. If Ukraine can see what the end looks like, then why are you prolonging the inevitable? The sunk cost?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This all goes back to the fall of USSR, and ongoing tragedy that's still killing people today.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"The bombings do work! The bombings are working! They know what they are doing. Just because you don't know what they're doing doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing. Of course they know what they are doing... The bombings are achieving what they are supposed to - which is to destroy Yugoslavia, to turn it into a de-industrialized, beggar-poor nation of cheap labor, completely defenseless to the interests of capital investors. This is a batterist policy! The batterer is not irrational, the batterer uses violence against his helpless spouse. He uses just a certain amount or level to get a certain response - and batters that person down and batters that person down. And that's what it is - it's a battering policy, to destroy and smash 'em down, but smash 'em and splinter them so badly that they will never rise again and never come back again even as a viable bourgeois nation, let alone socialist." -- Michael Parenti

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Liberal: "Russia is colonizing Ukraine!"

Meanwhile the majority of the country is now owned by Blackrock.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I'd love to see the next Ukrainian government (assuming the world doesn't end first) just re-seize all those sold-off assets for the state. NATO would probably just implode.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Literally everything Eastern Europe has to do is to stop praising, supporting and building monuments for fucking nazis and be normal, really hard part for a lot of them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Westoids will pump cash into Nazis for decades, organise a coup, install a puppet government, tell them exactly what to do, and then say "why can't they just be normal" and "we only gave them freedom and look what those savages did with it".

Fuck you and everyone who upvoted you. Bunch of westoid removed.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've posted about our country's role in this and Europe joining in wholeheartedly in the past and our country being the architect behind this (do a search of my name and the word architect), but I do apologize if I've been offensive in my wording. Our country crafts problems like this all the time and then does as you've said, blame the country they corrupted and it's people; it wasn't my intent to speak ill of the Ukrainian people, just the puppet government currently in charge, that ought to have some sense of self preservation at least despite being nazi or nazi adjacent, but of course as puppets they never would have been allowed to stop this war from starting. I just wish Zelensky would have the guts to cut the strings and try to stop his country going down this path, regardless of what consequences it would have, it doesn't help that he's also shut down oppositional parties (leftist ones).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sorry for the double reply but:

all Ukraine had to do was be normal.

it wasn't my intent to speak ill of the Ukrainian people,

Yeah it was, you just refuse to understand why your sincere opinion was deeply ignorant and offensive.

just the puppet government currently in charge

I just wish Zelensky would have the guts

Do you even know what a puppet is? Also, WHO'S FUCKING PUPPET?

Literally the only thing Ukraine needs to "be normal" is YANKS FUCKING OFF

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Literally the only thing Ukraine needs to “be normal” is YANKS FUCKING OFF

This. US intervene in Ukraine in every decade (1991, 2004, 2014, 2022) and the reason is always that Ukrainians try to not even be antiimperialist but just to normalise their relations with Russia.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

and Operation Aerodynamic started in 1953 and ran for decades

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Dziękuję, mało mi żyłka nie pękła

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

You're just repeating the same ignorant thing again and the rest of fucking yanks upvoting you like a bunch of clapping seals.

Ukrainian people elected Zelensky on the mandate of making a deal with Russia which he tried to do but you fucks blocked it repeatedly.

But you're so ignorant you'll just say "I don't know how this works and why Ukraine went along with it" so of course from your brain-dead perspective "all Ukraine had to do was to be normal".

Also fuck off with constantly repeating "our country" like I'm supposed to know where you're from, people outside Amerikkka fucking exist, exceptionalism pouring out your every sentence.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

pump cash into Nazis for decades, organise a coup, install a puppet government

You know the person you're talking to (1) opposed this and (2) had zero control over it, right?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A surprise to no one who has even a superficial understanding of the conflict

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

which sadly excludes vast majority of western public

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just have to translate it into Westoid. "War Will End in Vibes Based Non-Defeat"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

In Polish: "It will be moral victory" and i'm not shitting you, this is how our media and to some extent even historians are portraying each of our myriad L's.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The western public will look at the headline, that is the extent of their attention span, and cheer over the fact that the article must mean that Russia is surrendering.

In the interview, Zelensky said there can’t be direct negotiations between Ukraine and Russia but there could be indirect negotiations through a third party.

I know that diplomacy is not exactly his background, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone that a requirement of negotiation is that you are actually willing to talk to the people you are intended to negotiate with. This is this crazy international relations theory we call "common sense".

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

lol it might just be his way of saying that he doesn't actually make any decisions and Russia has to talk to his bosses in the US

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On the other hand, if Zelenskyy negotiates peace directly, the next NATO-proxy government will just throw it out because his presidency is illegitimate. Which could be used to buy the time the Kiev regime has been looking for. Seems to be why Russia recently said they are open to peace talks, but consider trusting Ukraine to be impossible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is true, I honestly don't know how you can negotiate with nato/western forces in good faith at all anymore. Even outside of Ukraine, they've shown that they don't place any value in their word (see: Germany admitting they never had any intention of honouring the Minsk Agreements). That kind of admission severely tarnishes any future diplomatic overtures.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Just in the last few years, looking at the deliberate efforts of cutting off all diplomatic relations with Russia. Banning and smearing all foreign opposition media. Assassination of diplomats. Rampant militarized racism. Trade wars. Mass sanctioning and coups of any nation who opposes US war interests. Endlessly blocking UN efforts. Endlessly blocking hostage negotiations. Constant escalations... It really establishes that the US and it's allies have completely lost interest in any form of diplomacy and seem to be preemptively closing those exits just to keep any form of diplomatic resolution off the table, thus ensuring a hot world war to keep the military economy running.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Yeah, Russia's surrender

spoiler/s

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

the Donbas town of New York

cat-confused

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think we've already had this article here - here's the old post. Is it the same one?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

oh yeah you're right, I totally forgot running across it a month ago 😅

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ehh... The article is well-written - concise and to the point, it deserves to be reposted :D.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

yeah, it's kind of refreshing to see such an open admission in more or less mainstream western media