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At least, some of the recent controversies.

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[–] [email protected] 169 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Big shout out to them leaving the links to LTT merch in the description. Venal fucks.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They probably have some internal application where they literally do fill-in-the-blanks on the description and timestamps and the rest is a template.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They definitely have a default description set. Bitching about that kind of small detail is pointless when there are plenty of more serious things to talk about.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, it's another example of the lack of attention to detail and rushing, but yeah.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah, people keep making excuses for them.

"There isn't enough time, they have to eat and drink and sleep"

Then delay the video until it's done. That's part of the core issues that kicked this whole episode off. Them rushing out videos without care.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

How about the multiple merch plugs in the video itself or that the video was monetized, in direct contrast to the original video from GN not being monetized?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

100% this. Whoever is in charge of uploads is almost definitely using a macro to auto-fill every description. If you look, the description credits the intro/outro music which weren't even used in this video at all.

Most YT channels do this, very few big channels actually put anything besides their own links in descriptions.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The part witch Nick plugging LTT store was cringe

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I just watched the entire team apologize for Linus and then Linus proceeded to attempt to gaslight everyone watching.

Fuck this guy.

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago

Monetizing an apology video of all things says it all.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (5 children)

From the majority of the team, this is a pretty good and textbook PR mea culpa. "Here's how we screwed up, here's how we're fixing it."

The pushing the merch was tone-deaf and the defensive whining from Linus was NOT on-point, though. I appreciate it ended with "how I'm going to fix it," but he should keep the defensive shit to himself.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It would be better if the CEO could learn to read a prompter so it looks like he's not reading one.

This is pretty annoying to watch with his eyes looking above the camera and going left and right constantly.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

@Chozo The end of the video:

But Dbrand did offer

... is basically advertisement for the brand, packed into "a joke". Why would they mention it otherwise?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And the video itself is monetized.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I agree that it's good they're acknowledging the problems but that video felt like an interrogation. So corporate and weird.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In fairness, they would have been absolutely stupid to have not done a 100% prewritten, teleprompted PR riddled pre-written response given the situation. Linus sitting down in front of a camera and just letting his mind do Linus things isn't gonna help anyone lol.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You mean like he did on the forums about three hours after the GN video dropped?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (30 children)

Guess, I am out of the loop.

After Linus blasted people using ad-blockers (fucking hypocrite), I uh, just blocked his channel.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

I loved LMG and watched their videos for years, but if you are going to put out false or exaggerated data knowingly, or auction off a one of a kind prototype, would pass me off but I might tune in from time to time for the entertainment.

But if you are called out on this and instead of trying to do the right thing you double down and even straight up lie to try to make a case where you aren't the bad guy, then I am done with LMG channels as I can not support a company with this clown.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

IMO a good answer and directly adresses my biggest stated problem of "we know stuff goes wrong, but we don't care about them" (see https://lemmings.world/comment/1218294)

The thing about Madison: if true it's very concerning, but for now it's only one person who told about these problems and I don't know her enough to trust her like that without proof. In contrast: I trust GN and they showed proof

But that doesn't mean you should ignore these accusations and I would like to see an answer from LMG.

This is MY opinion on this matter. Your opinion may vary!

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Re: Madison, she sprinkled a bunch of non-issues (edit: I don't mean to downplay the more serious issues she raises! I'm concerned that this would leave room for others to do so) or things that are normal for companies that aren’t super huge- the journal/lined paper debacle for example. Of course the company focused on profit is going to ask you to make do with essentially the same thing. That’s super normal.

Being asked to manage the OF despite objections isn’t super bad when you are literally hired just to do social media. It’s unpleasant, but most jobs are going to have unpleasant moments. At a similar pay scale, I’ve been required to go into homes where folks had COVID. Coworkers have been shot at. I’ve seen things I really would have preferred not to. No job is perfectly sane in that sense.

Some of the issues where Madison said “they wanted me to do x and I couldn’t because y” (red footage editing/ram comes to mind) feel like issues where she would be told something, then would vent in her head instead of going “hey, I don’t have enough ram to edit that footage!” - something I’ve encountered a ton with less experienced (in a business sense, not skill) hires.

The managerial and behavioral issues she brings up are awful but not entirely surprising given the type of folk who stick around there. It indicates a systemic issue and that usually happens due to a lack of oversight and course-correction, or outright malicious management. I’m hopeful that it’s the former.

Last but not least, she repeatedly states it was her dream job. This is an experience that should hopefully show her to never meet your heroes! Dream jobs usually suck unless you get lucky, because they have lots of rough edges. Hopefully she’s doing something that brings her more joy now.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (20 children)

You can't force a woman to manage an OF account against her will, knowing VERY WELL what she'll be exposed to. That's fucked up.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel that your post is belittling a situation that, as narrated, is straight up mobbing and bullying, only acknowledging it in a small paragraph which I feel boils down to a dismissive "awful but only maybe malicious, probably just lack of oversight", while the rest of your comment tries to find excuses and normalizing something that is not.

These:

I was asked about my sexual history, my boyfriends sexual history, "how I liked to fuck".

I was told that certain issues were "sexual tension" and I should just "take the co-worker out on a coffee date to ease it out"

I was told I was chunky, fat, ugly, stupid. I was called "retarded" I was called a "faggot"

My work was called "dogs--t" I was called "incompetent".

"I think the reason you try to be funny, is because you lack any other skills." smiled then walked away.

I watched co-workers get what I had asked for weeks before they did. It took 2 months to get mine.

Also apparently some managers didn't like me because I "hadn't gotten drunk with them before" Which was said in that haha just jokin (but actually I'm serious) tone

Are nor normal nor acceptable: for anyone who is in a corporation where this is common place: take a step back and understand that it is not healthy for you, bad power dynamics are a real thing and the abuse of them sometimes can feel normal, especially in small businesses that get a sudden explosive growth. And I don't even want to go into her self harming to get a day off.

You can say it was probably a single person, but the lack of action by management with phrases like "change your priorities", "put on your big girl pants" and stuff like that makes it a Company issue, Company which indirectly accept and endorse that kind of treatment: they being so against unionizing sincerely gets a whole other meaning read under this light.

The notebook case is self evidence of it all: A small thing that normally wouldn't be anything important, but compounded with the stressful environment got emotionally distressful. The fact that such a small thing has stayed with her so long should tell you that she was really not in an healthy mental state.

I don't personally care about the whole LTT fiasco, as an uninterested spectator it's fun to watch from the outside and then change channel, a blip in the media world that will most likely blow down in a couple of weeks. But reading how these actions are belittled is really distressing. Bullying is not normal, and it should never be accepted. Ever.

The full thread for whoever missed it: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1691693740254228741.html

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At a similar pay scale, I’ve been required to go into homes where folks had COVID. Coworkers have been shot at. I’ve seen things I really would have preferred not to. No job is perfectly sane in that sense.

American? Because this is not normal up here in Canada.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Other than the Madison Reeves post I just read, I am completely out of the loop on the LTT controversy. That said, I made it about 1/3 of the way through the video before I had to stop it. I know very little about these guys but that video is infuriating.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Short and sweet summary as called out by Gamers Nexus:

  1. Testing methodology sux and results are not sanity checked, thereby misleading consumers.
  2. If errors are caught, they are corrected poorly and acknowledged with asterisks or in description, which does not put enough of a spotlight on it.
  3. Trashing on a small company (billet labs) that makes dope coolers for performing poorly due to improper testing and not retesting because "I don't wanna spend 500 bucks"
  4. Not returning the prototype which was sent to them by billet labs for testing and AUCTIONING IT OFF (allegedly to a potential competitor) at LTX.
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actions speak louder than words...

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Their action was to monetize the apology video, which is especially funny after Gamers Nexus explicitely didn't monetize their video. They advertised their shop and floatplane and teased a new product. Just incredible.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

They really cannot help themselves. Money corrupts all.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The fact they're still hiding their testing methodologies behind floatplane makes me dubious of how effective this "housekeeping" week will be. Not that I plan on watching or interacting with anything LMG related going forward until the allegations brought up by Madison are properly handled anyway, in which then my final decision will be made.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know Linus was pushing back REAL hard on getting a fact checker. And it would've likely prevented this situation entirely.

Edit: Other than the pushing of merch... Sigh... This is a pretty good PR mea culpa. At least from the rest of the team. I guess I should finish it. Pretty textbook. "We screwed up, here's how we're fixing it."

Edit 2: Nevermind. I got to the part with Linus. FFS.

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