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submitted 2 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Liberals have found an interesting rationalization that allows reconciling support for free speech with the need to censor ideas outside that threaten liberal ideology.

The trick is to claim that the total sum of valid ideas falls within the liberal ideology. All the ideas that are contrary are therefore fundamentally invalid, and thus can be treated simply as noise.

This is why liberals love the fake news and disinformation narrative so much. In their mind, they're not censoring valid ideas that are contrary to their own ideology, but are rather fighting against noise that has no fundamental value. Since these aren't valid ideas to begin with, liberals don't see censoring them as a form of censorship.

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[-] [email protected] 64 points 2 years ago

I think there's also the fact that a lot of things can be understood as "censorship" even when we don't normally call it that. Moderating, blocking, filtering, defederating, etc.

Libs are so used to calling all the bad parts of liberalism by a different name that they really believe they're not [doing the thing] while [doing the thing]. Like how they're not concentration camps, they're "immigration overflow facilities." And they don't sell weapons, they "provide lethal aid." And they definitely don't impoverish millions of people in order to incite war, no they uh "apply targeted sanctions" or something.

They probably, genuinely, don't see the contradiction in advocating for free speech while banning stuff instinctively. They categorically don't see it that way, because they're the ones doing it.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

I know some "free Speech advocates" think it means an audience has to stand there and be harassed wherever, at least when it comes to "their side"

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

A lot of people actully did that when a journalist got harrased asking the prime minister of India , about him blocking free speech , lots of people were like , she wanted free speech didnt she ? I dont understand how harrasment would even equal free speech!

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

How do I have 2 upvotes already? It's only been like five seconds >.>

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

You're just cool like that

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Some of us are so online it's embarassing

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

They really did label nazis as "freedom fighters" and left it like that, and the libs just ate it up

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I dig it. This explains how liberals can disengage from reasonable arguments by the left while pretending to have internal consistency.

Also, I agree. This comment was good enough to be its own post.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

Liberals believe any sane person will reach the conclusions of liberal ideology if given the correct information. They view all of their political opponents as either confused idiots or cynical liars seeking only power. They cannot rationalize someone opposed to liberalism for valid reasons, even if those people have been colonized, forced into poverty, or denied basic rights because of the consequences of a liberal market economy.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Liberalism is the ultimate slow death, the false critical thinking. They're political sleeper cells that turn into the "authoritarians" they claim to hate whenever something challenges the worldview. They assume anything they say is fact, since other liberals are saying it. They believe the state and government on 90% of everything until someone from the news or government says not to. Its the ideology of a braindead follower.

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