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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Maybe bordiga-despair had a point about Popular Fronts…

In seriousness, I do find this whole thing started by D*stiny pretty telling about how eagerly libs just copy-paste low-hanging “gotcha”s, especially since they feel threatened by an increased ”tankie” presence on social media. Anything to surprises that feeling emanating from cognitive dissonance a bit longer.

There’s no real honest conversation to be had with people who will use anything and everything to prove the USSR was Red Nazi Germany while also dismissing appeasement and outright support from the capitalist world (as well as their own imperial ventures) as oopsies.

Poland and Finland in particular being brought up is also pretty hilarious since both were right wing illiberal regimes engaged in their own “nation-building” efforts.

https://twitter.com/warbirdusa/status/1690552736494817280?s=46

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

:nuke: was liberalism's response to communism, it was a flex at the soviets and not necessary to defeat Japan

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

The Polish communists at that time were being put to jail and hard labor, because we were a proto fascist society. That's what was fucking happening, class struggle.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

what were the communists doing in Poland

trying to liberate the polish people, the horror!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1920: trying to spread working class revolution to poland

1939: trying to buy time and block corridors that would be used in operation barbarossa

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Also Stalin was willing to ally with Europe in order to prevent the spread of Nazism even before 1933. The Soviets were the first to warn about the nazis and the last to make a non-aggression pact with them. Even then, Stalin only made it so they could build up the industry to eventually go to war with them. It was always going to end up how it did but the Soviets attempted to stop Hitler for years before the Moltov-Ribbentrop Pact.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

WarBirdUSA

Should be classified as a fascist in this case :amerikkka:

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe had a point about Popular Fronts…

I mean, look at Taiwan making the memorial for people who collaborated with the Japanese in WW2.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To be fair, the reason why the Communists were able to kick the Nationalists’ ass to Taiwan and establish the PRC in the first place was because of the United Front.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

The liberals' fixation on political rights once again misses the economic crimes of capitalists. What happened from 1929 to 1939?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What point is this trying to make? Nuking a bunch of civilians is better than battling in to the enemy's capital at enormous cost and bringing an end to their reign of terror?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Based on the tweet ("tired of everyone being stupid") I'm guessing this is what happened:

A communist made a meme about liberals being ineffective at fighting fascism compared to communists, mentioning the Soviet invasion of Nazi Germany
A liberal said "no, u" and made a meme about the US nuking Japan and (probably) the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (it's always the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact)
OP combined the two memes

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Hey question, what were the liberals doing in any country in any year through any other year?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Nationalism is a fuck

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US bombed so many Japanese cities to rubble that the fact that we used a new type of bomb to do it in two cases made no difference. In fact many cities were more thoroughly destroyed by traditional bombing. The group that made the decision to surrender did not even know about the second nuke, which occurred shortly before their meeting. Japan already wanted the USSR to mediate peace negotiations between US and Japan, and that possibility was foreclosed when USSR declared war on Japan. They also had accepted that they could not win against the US, and the USSR joining just made their situation infinitely worse. USSR declared war the day before Japan's leaders decided to surrender, and then it took about another week to get people together to sign documents.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Afaik the firebombing of Tokyo was the worst single bombing inhistory. Huindreds of thousands of people burned alive, far more than the nukes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Japan was fascist at the time, and probably a lot of the citizens too, but how can you conflate nuking civilians with fighting soldiers?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

idk there doesn't seem to be much awareness that actual human beings die in wars.