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Paris police said 3,000 people gathered in Paris on Monday evening, at a demonstration against the far right, which made historic gains in the European elections on Sunday. Other gatherings took place around the country.

Thousands of people gathered in several cities across France on Monday, June 10, in the evening, following the far-right Rassemblement National's surge at the polls in the European elections and French President Emmanuel Macron's announcement of a dissolution of the Assemblée Nationale.

Paris police said 3,000 people had gathered on the Place de la République in Paris at 8 pm. Many of them were young people, chanting with middle fingers raised, slogans such as "Everybody hates Marine Le Pen."

"The prospect of having a far-right prime minister in three weeks terrifies me," said Alice, a 24-year-old student. Alba Bourreau, 19, an arts student, was taking part in her "first political demonstration," having voted on Sunday for the first time, saying she's "ready to come and demonstrate as much as we need to." "We've come to mobilize against fascism, and because we're fed up with this image that France votes right or far right. The left also exists. It's in the streets tonight," said Luna, 19.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Lets see if they show up for the election. If so, this is evidence for the effectiveness of Macrons gambit.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Real power comes from the ballot box. No point in demonstrating if you don't vote.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean I think this represents the core of Macrons strategy. Force the issue. Don't wait. Get people emotionally worked up and do so quickly. Don't wait for things to cool off.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Let's hope it works. It fucken sucks watching the world turn right when we need to embrace real solutions and unity to overcome these new challenges. Not deny them and drink the juice.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

It definitely fits the bill of the "bold move Cotton" meme template.

I personally side with WWII General Pattons quote on planning:

""A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week."

Too many political leaders think they have until next week to figure out how to deal with the rising tide of fascism globally. They don't. If Macron thinks he's got the nuts or at least a hand that plays, I say push the chips. Because next week you won't have a stronger position.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I would argue voting is one of the lowest forms of participation in the political life of one's country, but that's not a debate I'm ready to have at this hour

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yes it is the lowest form of participation and that's also why there's no excuse not to cast your ballot. Unless the ballot literally gets stuffed, turn up, if you can't bring yourself to vote for any of the parties with reasonable chances vote for a satirical or random micro party. The animal protection one seems to be popular in Germany, heck they might get a seat and cause something to happen from the opposition benches, I rather have an opposition full of vegans than full of Nazis. That failing, invalidate your ballot. Nothing too untoward, ballot counters aren't your enemy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Agreed, half an hour out of one's day on a Sunday isn't much to at least get involved however small it is

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure the real quote is "from the barrel of a gun"

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I thought he called the snap election yesterday? Was it not yesterday?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A snap election isn't instant lol. An election committee gets formed, a date is set a few months ahead, politicians register and campaign, polling stations are formed and staffed. It's a lot of work. It's like the US but faster and less predictable and therefore not 18 months nightmare of propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

a few months ahead

Nah, election day is in 2 weeks... Political parties are scrambling to form alliances and put a program together... It's a total shitshow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Oh shit France runs things WAY faster than us Canadians. Probably for the best. The longer the campaign is, the more politicians can use bullshit populist fearmongering. Good luck to the French for defeating the fascists.... That just won in France for the EU elections....

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Yes, yesterday. There are a wide range of views as to this being a good idea or not.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I remember those demonstrations against the far right in Germany just two month ago or something. Back then I was saying that if this is really an issue for people then they need to show it during the election by voting.

We're just now shortly after during the EU elections and who is the biggest winner in Germany? Yes you guessed it right, the AFD, the far right, being now the second biggest party.

Those protests don't seem to reach the people who then go to vote.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Except they did reach the people. Back in December polls showed the AFD at 22%. Now they only got 16%. Is it great? Fuck no. But still better then 22%. Can't give up now, that's what the nazis want.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does anybody else have a feeling that just about any article reporting on left or climate protests, only seems to quote students (often art or philosophy) and pensioners? I believe the group is broader than that, why pick people who are regarded as not contributing much to society in populists' views already?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

People between college and retirement have jobs and may not be able to take the day off so they're underrepresented at weekday protests

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How much it's 3k compared to the total population of France?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Gotta start somewhere. Tens of thousands of demonstrators don't show up at a moment's notice. Honestly surprised even 3000 showed up that quickly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

This kind of demonstration took place in a lot of city in france, if not all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Small, but this was 3000 the day after the Election Day, gathered on a weekday and on short notice i would consider 3000 a good turnout.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

EU citizens are too busy criticizing Americans to vote

/s

What were the official turn out percentages?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

51% in France, a couple points more than last time. Turn out is usually low for European elections.

And actually people were too busy blaming Europe for all their problems to vote.