Aren’t the subways in New York already built under basically actual rivers and require continuous drainage to maintain functionality?

Don't worry the Democrats will run on replacing 73% of the subway lines with Els by 2115

That's minimizing all the hard work that state dems have put in to being dumber than dogshit and trying to campaign to republicans while telling anybody left of Clinton to go fuck themselves.

I would legit be ok with hochul eating shit just so maybe dems could be aware of the fact there actually is a basement to the amount of shit people will put up with while begrudgingly supporting you.

Oops, I replied before actually looking at the studies you put in there. That is good info.

I would still say that overall, opposing flat fuel taxes, tolls, and congestion taxes is a good stance, because in nearly all areas it is the workers who are tied to car ownership for their employment. We should be making it easier for workers to save time and money and have more time for organizing!

However, it appears in this case there is at least an argument in support of the tax. Although diverting existing gas and driving tolls and taxes instead of adding new ones might be better.

It is good that the money is going to fund transit.

I feel like a crazy person though being the only one to suggest that carbrained america has tied it's workers to the expense of driving and then ratchets up the cost in the name of fighting climate change or congestion if peace of mind and that that hurts workers. It's true.

I don't think the people who this is going to negatively affect can afford to live in Manhattan. They live outside and commute in.

The environmental and peace push is fine but it's really a NIMBY argument and separate from the extra cost on the workers.

There aren't service workers who drive to downtown Manhattan or Uber drivers? I would be supportive of a progressive charge, but simply implementing a new cost for people forced to drive isn't supporting the working class.

I know several gen-x and millennial working class folks who need to drive into Manhattan with their tools to do jobs in Manhattan. Offices don't just materialize and sadly its hard to bring ladders and boxes of power tools on the subway.

Are you sure? I would believe that tons of workers (maintenance, technicians, service) live outside of Manhattan and commute there, and probably many drive, since the subway is good, it doesn't reach everywhere

Unfortunately, it is true. What doesn't make sense from a leftwing perspective is making life less affordable for people who depend on driving to get to their work. Rich people don't give a shit about a few extra dollars to drive. Yes they'll whine about it, but it doesn't affect them really. Who it does affect is the maintenance worker who has to pay more to get to their work site with their safety equipment and tools, or the technician who comes in from out of city to work on fixing stuff.

It's a step away from political feasibility of a car ban. As it stands, the opposition should just be drivers. With a congestion charge in place, a car ban would mean budget cuts to the MTA and/or tax hikes, so you'll see people who never set foot inside a car opposing the ban because they'd be impacted by one or both of those things.

As for the policy levers, they run the metro. If they improve the metro to the point that a lot of drivers stop driving in, they lose money. That's the perverse incentive.