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Spread Out: How To Speed Up Lemmy (lemmy.fediverse.observer)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by miles@discuss.online to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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There are many lemmy instances in the world, but currently most people are using lemmy.world. This is why everything has gotten so slow.

You don't have to delete your lemmy.world account, but check out https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map it's a geo-based map of lemmy instances -- explore stuff nearest you, pick one, sign up, search , subscribe and begin interacting with your favorite communities. It's easy, free and it will be faster. Try it!

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[-] bluesydney@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

An export/import for "subscribed" communities would encourage a lot of people to do this.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Theres a userscript. Check at !plugins@sh.itjust.works

[-] Qiz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Can you link the post? I’m not able to find it.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago

I think it was this one?

[-] Qiz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks! That helps!

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[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

There needs to be a "MigrationPub" spec to export your info to be ready to import into another user login.

[-] _cerpin_taxt_@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

So can I just start running my only instance on my home server and just let only a few friends use it, then federate with the rest?

[-] miles@discuss.online 5 points 2 years ago

absolutely, talk to !selfhosted@lemmy.world

[-] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

The only "downside" from running your own instance is the all page is generated from all the communities that someone in your instance has visited. So with a smaller instance the all page is less diverse.

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

There's a toggle to swap the all page to include all federated instances, truly all

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[-] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 3 points 2 years ago

Yup, if you're lazy you can use this to set it up: https://github.com/ubergeek77/Lemmy-Easy-Deploy

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[-] IceQuest@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I tried to migrate to another instance by rejoining the same communities as this account. However I can't seem to find some of the communities anymore through the other instance's search page. There's no indication that there's any defederation going on.

I still have no idea what a proper community joining process is. I just go to the search page, type it in and scroll through the random comments until I find a link to a community.

If only I could just copy the community link, right now it'll just open up with lemmy.world again, so I have to go through the other instance's search page. Please let me know if there's a guide of any kind.

Edit: Ok you need to manually type the URLs. E.g. if you wanted to open this community on lemmy.ml, type "lemmy.ml/c/fediverse@lemmy.world"

That's a kinda clunky experience ngl. How is the average normie going to feel about appending URLs in the address bar tho.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Community discovery on Lemmy so far feels incredibly difficult. Even browsing "all" I feel I get the same 10-15 communities in rotation.

How am I supposed to find the medium-sized communities about specific subjects that don't end up on "all?"

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

How am I supposed to find the medium-sized communities about specific subjects that don’t end up on “all?”

Search by keyword:

Here's a curated directory: https://sub.rehab/

You can also checkout

/c/findacommunity@lemmy.ml
/c/communitypromo@lemmy.ca

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Oh this is great, thank you!

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[-] Pleonasm@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

As far as I understand, your instance is only aware of a community on another instance if at least one user on your instance has subscribed to that community on the other instance. Perhaps that's what you're experiencing?

[-] PabloPcakes@vlemmy.net 5 points 2 years ago

That's interesting.

I'm fairly new and I'm not seeing a lot of chatter about the limitations of Lemmy / other fediverse applications.

I don't suppose you can point me to where you learned this and/or other information on how information is shared between instances?

[-] Pleonasm@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

Sure, I also have been trying to learn about how Lenmy works. I haven't yet found a comprehensive overview that details everything though.

From https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/federation_getting_started.html

If you search for a community first time, 20 posts are fetched initially. Only if a least one user on your instance subscribes to the remote community, will the community send updates to your instance. Updates include:

New posts, comments Votes Post, comment edits and deletions Mod actions

From: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html

These previous ways will only show communities that are already known to the instance. Especially if you joined a small or inactive Lemmy instance, there will be few communities to discover.

This issue/post on github has some info: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3062

I would also checkout some discussions on !fediverse@lemmy.world !selfhosted@lemmy.world https://selfhosted.forum

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[-] gunslingerfry@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Yeah. This is all I see: Software: Lemmy Signups: no

As long as this tool includes people's personal instances, it's useless.

[-] MBM@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

"Signups: no" can also just mean that your sign-up will be checked manually, like on older instances like beehaw and sopuli

[-] Max_UL@lemmy.pro 9 points 2 years ago

Yeah they really need to update that binary presentation. Our instance says no registrations, but we do have them open, you just gotta pass the requirements: email, sign up question and captcha.

[-] Xyre@lemmus.org 8 points 2 years ago

I think the concerns about smaller instances are valid (as I post from lemmus.org). Some additional data points to consider when evaluating an instance would be whether they're running a recent version and the uptime of the instance.

It'd probably be a good idea to have a page that promotes these smaller instances that 'score' well to help distribute some of the load.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Something like this needs to be incorporated by devs at the UX onboarding level if you want success.

During mass migration times, you need to really hold new users hands to curate a path towards community ideals. Needs to be as easy as clicking boxes to attempt to create accounts on multiple instances and then app defaults to the local option to start, or something similar.

You'll only get a few crumbs here and there from dedicated people if it's that manual of a process.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago

If someone's looking for an instance, feel free to use mine, lemmings.world. As a bonus, you can call yourself a lemming! It's hosted in Germany.

[-] LoQey@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago

Thank you! I have taken you up on your offer. 😊

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[-] Hupf@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Lemming

[-] InternetPirate@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

I would prefer if there was a way to ping every instance to find the fastest one. Like this: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances/issues/12

[-] d_cent@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't this put me at risk of that smaller instance defederizing and removing everything I contribute while logged in to that instance?

[-] BlackCat@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is whats kind of not clear to me. While its clear what the benefit is for lemmy.world or some instance you move from, its less clear what the benefit for the individual moving is such as myself. I have more risk, its a hassle, the smaller server might itself get overloaded or break. Sometimes it feels ‘safer in numbers’. Unsure. Feels like I would be best off if everyone else moved and took on the risk while I stayed and reaped the benefits of them reducing the load rather than me doing it.

[-] d_cent@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Someone explained it a little better in another post. It will not erase my content. So if I'm logged in under my lemm.ee account but post on a lemmy.world instance. If for some reason lemm.ee got defederized, my post or comments would still be there at lemmy.world I would just not be able to use my lemm.ee account going forward.

It seems like this is the way to go like OP says

[-] Playingwithethenew@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

I am planning on moving to lemmy.blahaj.zone soon-ish but I have 2 questions.

How do I move to another instance?
Can I move freely? For example, could I switch to lemmy.blahaj.zone to lemmy.world to kbin.social every day? I don;t like the idea of being "tied down" to an instance for a long time.

[-] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

As far as I know, account migration from one instance to another is currently not possible on kbin/lemmy but with the sudden influx of users and developers I believe it is on the roadmap for at least kbin and likely lemmy too. For now you’ll have to use multiple accounts, but eventually you should be able to migrate if you choose to.

[-] Playingwithethenew@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

I may wait until that becomes possible, although if the wait is long, I'll make a new account.

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[-] miles@discuss.online 2 points 2 years ago

you can have accounts on multiple instances, go ahead and sign up. your info is NOT transferred, so you'll need to re-subscribe to your communities, and your posts stay on the instance you wrote them from.

[-] app_priori@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I would add that the risk of joining a small server is that the owner can suddenly delete them at any time and you would have to start all over again elsewhere. Best thing to do is to make an account on the large instances only.

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 9 points 2 years ago

Lemmy.world has only existed for a month. Why the confidence that it’s here to stay?

[-] Coelacanth@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's run through the Open Collective, and is also run by Ruud who runs one of the larger Mastodon instances as well as some other stuff on the Fediverse I believe. They're a fairly trusted actor in the space and I think pretty transparent with everything they do which is probably another reason many people flocked there.

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[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There is a very large range between tiny instance that can disappear overnight and "large instance". The large instances are actually more likely to disappear as their hosting costs are beyond what a small group of admins can pay out of their own pocket easily, so they vitally depend on donations and that can break down easily for many reasons.

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[-] Ignacio@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I've just discovered that kbin.social is near Wichita. Does that mean that ernest is John Rambo? 💪😎🤜