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Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months. At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 months ago (19 children)

Sure would be nice if people in that region stopped attacking civilians at every opportunity.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

"Hey! Stop that! Be genocided in peace! How dare you fight back!"

Look, if we're gonna agree that Israel has been occupying Palestine for decades and abusing them for decades, at a certain point you need to admit that Hamas isn't 100% at fault. Just like how the USs actions in the Middle East increased extremism and terrorism, so has Israel's. You can't keep murdering mothers and fathers and expect the children to grow up thinking that "peace as dictated by your oppressors" is the solution.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Nobody is ever 100% at fault, life doesn't work that way. People are interconnected with each other in ways we can never fully disentangle.

The question is how best to move forwards towards peace. And that, is not helped by continuation of violent conflict. 8 rockets towards the Israeli seat of govt isn't "fighting back", not vs their air defence. It's "not enough people have died yet".

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think either of you are wrong. What you are both seeing is a feedback loop. You decide which you want to put first here, but for simplicity's sake, Israel attacks a threat, which kills people's innocent loved ones. This creates more people who become a threat by attacking Israel, which results in Israel attacking that threat, and the cycle continues indefinitely.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, the oppressed are eager to hurt people any way they can, and nobody can expect it to be any other way.

But still, launching long range missiles isn't an impulse action. There are so many actors domestic and internationally to do production, procurement, installation, logistics, assembly, that we can assume someone high up has made a strategic decision based on expected outcome.

And the expected outcome is extremely obvious: a) zero tactical gains, and b) more excuses to ignore international pressure and hit Rafah even more brutally.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or you do nothing and get completely walked all over.

Because what's your solution? Words aren't doing shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Any action other than assisting the invaders would be an improvement.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The PA tried peace and the West Bank is being ethnically cleansed more every day.

The problem here isn't Hamas. It's israel.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I upvoted you, because your point about the occupied West Bank is valid, but let’s be clear: Hamas is very much a problem. They haven’t held real elections in Gaza for close to 2 decades and have been in severe violent internal conflict with their Palestinian opposition.

Israel being genocidal maniacs doesn’t mean everyone shooting rockets at them is automatically a good guy.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

That'll help.

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