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UPS CEO says drivers will average $170,000 in pay and benefits at end of 5-year deal (www.cnbc.com)
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UPS also has a market cap of 156B$ vs Fedex's 66B$. Both average around 90B$ in revenue. Fedex drivers maker an average of 52k$ a year. Fedex doesn't have any unions.

In summary, it seems that having a union helps workers earn a lot more, but also help the company have significantly better stock market performance.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Seeing as this is coming from the CEO, I do not trust this to be true, or is overstating it to make the public think the drivers are "greedy" or "overpaid". They also want to blame a bad year of revenue on this, which is bullshit.

Looking at the average hourly listed for full timers @ $49 (which is great tbh) works out to about $101K before tax. I'm not sure what kind of benefits they are getting, but $70k in benefits is suspect.

Also, the part timers are still starting at $21, which extrapolated to full time hours is $43k. Not sure if they get benefits.

The quote is saying that "drivers" will average $170k, but that doesn't specify whether that is including full and part time. I'd also like to see what the ratio of part:full time is, because I can only assume it skews towards the former.

I'm happy to see the teamsters got a good deal, but lets not trust the numbers the CEO is spitting out...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My understanding is that the cost of decent benefits for an employee is often about the same as their wage. I don't exactly have firsthand experience, but I believe that companies budget for expansion hires using this rule of thumb (intended wage x2 is the total cost to hire them).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As a business owner, at least in my experience it's about 30-50% more per employee's base wage for benefits.

I don't say that negatively. I am not entirely sure how it would hit 2x though, but I suppose it would depend on the industry? My particular industries don't have overhead of trucks, uniforms, badges, etc.

edit: I think people misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm basically saying that I feel like UPS is inflating some side of numbers to argue for a "total compensation" amount but the reality being a lower base amount for the employees. Benefits have value, for sure, but I personally think UPS drivers base pay needs to be higher.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It really depends on the quality of benefits package. For example my brother and father are white collar types working for organizations with extremely strong unions. Their compensation includes full medical/dental insurance (no out of pocket) for them and their dependents that their employer pays $6,500 a month for. Their employer contribution to the agreed upon pension plan is also thousands a month. They have showed me the itemized documentation and I'm always jealous since they get a $130K salary then their employer spends almost as much on their benefits while I'm stuck in a job where I have to pay for things like dental or major hospitalization out of pocket.

I'm not claiming you are cheaping out on your employee benefits as a business owner but if you are paying so little I have to assume you are making your employees pay half for things like medical insurance and it's the type of medical insurance that doesn't cover full dental. I also have to assume you aren't providing your employees with a full pension but instead doing the 401K match scheme employers in the US pull to avoid actually providing a robust pension plan. Most employers in the US skimp out on dental coverage and for anything other than preventive care people are expected to pay tens of thousands out of pocket for basic things like braces for their children or dental surgeries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Going to be honest, not sure how pensions work. Current two businesses have 3 employees each. Paid medical, dental, vision (even through 2020-2022 regardless of hours worked). 6% 401k matching regardless of employee contribution, yes, again, didn't realize pensions were high demand and happy to look into it.

While I realize I'm not a big company, we do our best to pay a minimum $52k salary (or commensurate hourly because of local law). Plus health benefits, phone/internet reimbursement, 4x10 optional work week, lenient "unlimited" vacation and sick, etc. etc. - I do realize $52k base isn't the most amazing thing on earth...I take zero money from the business though, it all goes to employees.

All that to say, I am totally open to opportunities to better myself as an employer.

edit:

On the $6500 front, I just don't know. A full family for us right now costs us about $1800/mo, basically everything and then some is covered but deductibles are like $2000 which I have heard is high...so I guess to your point, we could drop the deductible to $500 but then the monthly almost doubles. To me, it makes more sense to keep the ~$1500/mo increase in lieu of a $1500/hr difference and then pay that back to the employee as best I can.

Again...open to suggestions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

As a business owner

gulag

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Right, I think if you have to include tools, vehicles, software etc... it varies widely from business to business. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of cause those things aren't exactly benefits.

Anyway, my thinking was that the CEO saying the compensation was $100k plus $70k benefits didn't sound totally outrageous to me. They're always trying to spin shit though, so I'm not taking him at his word or anything for sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So in other words their take home annual pay would be $85k pre tax?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's a rule of thumb, so not necessarily

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

AND BENEFITS is the catch here. UPS Teamsters pay about zero for any healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sicko-yes yes-hahaha-yes-l

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

fucking awsome