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It's almost like Trump tried a coup to avoid leaving office the last time around.

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[–] [email protected] 148 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Maybe the fear is because he's hinted towards that and also said that?

Really need to look at both sides here. /s

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Undecided voters are concerned that if Donald Trump returns to the White House, he’ll never leave.

And . . . yet they’re undecided??

I don’t . . . is this a . . . I mean . . . WHAT.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah but Biden is a disappointing centrist, so clearly I don't know how choose between him and an authoritarian dictator.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You make a valid point, but the reason people are undecided is that they they have no properly informed opinions. I hate this narrative that Biden is ineffective. Biden has done a lot of good things. And where congress failed, he found a way to get shit done anyway. People don't know that because media sucks and their echo chambers don't tell them. Or alternatively, their expectation about what a president can do in one term is completely unreasonable.

And that is all while ignoring that a republican congress will hold back the entire country for years just to make sure their guy looks better. And it works! People complain about shit not getting done but couldn't tell you how their representatives voted on those things.

So yeah, pretty much what you said. They think the candidates are roughly the same, but they have no clue how what their candidates do actually affects them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And that is all while ignoring that a republican congress will hold back the entire country for years just to make sure their guy looks better. And it works! People complain about shit not getting done but couldn't tell you how their representatives voted on those things.

And when something does get pushed past the obstructionism and helps people out, Republicans sometimes claim credit for the very thing they voted against.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Undecided voter is a euphemism for “someone who literally does not give one shit about the world beyond their tiny little bubble in it”.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

If you saw Jordan Klepper's Russia special, John Bolton straight up says he thinks Trump will pretty much end democracy.

And then mentions that he's going to write in a candidate when he votes.

I don't get it man. I'm not going to be happy voting for Biden, but I'd vote in Caligula's horse if it meant avoiding fascism overtaking democracy in the US.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tribes, man. Fucking tribes.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 6 months ago

And yet they're undecided?

[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Worse yet, I am afraid that Trump would die in office, then VP Donald Trump Jr would become President for 2 more terms, then by the time Eric is ready to takeover they will have already held the Constitutional Convention that turns the country into a benevolent Trump oligarchy, in which the title of "President" becomes hereditary, just as the Founders intended.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"Yes, yes. Carry on." - Samuel Alito

"My new TRUMP Motorcoach is really the talk of the town. Please don't call it an RV." - Clarence Thomas

"I've found some very strange lint in my navel." - John Roberts

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Hold my beer!" - Brett Kavanaugh

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"Why are you forcing me to wear the handmaid's dress? I voted the right way!" -Justice Ofjesse

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The only thing I disagree with is the use of the word benevolent

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

"Benevolent" being used in the same sense that China is a People's Republic, or NK is Democratic.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 months ago

Is that because he said that's exactly what he'll do?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

8 years into this I find it hard to believe there are any "undecided" voters, I'm willing to bet most of these people have already decided who they're voting for but they won't publicly admit it for fear of fallout from their peers.
We see it a lot in Bible Belt States where people are very vocally opposed to abortion access, yet still turn out in staggering numbers to vote for it when it's on the ballot.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There kinda are. Very privileged people who don't need to pay attention to politics because the fascists aren't ever targeting them. So they can be clueless and just see the biggest soundbites that make it past political TV. If you haven't been paying attention to the shitshow, it probably looks a lot tamer. =/

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Undecided doesn't necessarily mean they haven't decided who to vote for. It means they haven't decided if they're going to go vote.

Alternatively it means they're scared to say who they want to vote for because either they're blue in a red area and are used to hiding it so they're not shot or they know Trump is a piece of shit but are scared the Dems are going to force everyone to change genders and pee in front of each other.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago

Fears? He's literally said this directly.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

Hidden? Uhhh nope

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (6 children)

If he gets back in office, he'll leave in a body bag.

That's not a threat, I just don't see him lasting much longer.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not before establishing a dynastic succession plan though.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

Well he has gone on record saying he should be a three term President many times. You don't have to really speculate, plus the judges are in his corner as well. I wouldn't put it past him, he doesn't care about rules or decorum.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

I just can't think of any reason anyone would think that. I mean sure he said he wants to be dictator and he acts like he already thinks he's dictator, oh and that coup thingy... nevermind I see why.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

One of those times when you don't know if the creator was for or against Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And it's not even just that he won't leave, since he's gonna die pretty soon just of "natural" causes, if natural is what we have to wait for. He'll make changes that permanently affect the role too. Going back to democracy from dictator generally takes extreme violence historically. And generally outside influence. The states becoming a dictatorship is basically setting up world war 3. With a decent chance of the states not being the winner. Especially if Trump is planning on following whatever Putin is feeding him for the changes to make. Cuz we know that would be Putins goal. And all Trump cares about is going down in history, not sure it matters to him what he's remembered for, or he's convinced himself, or been convinced this will be seen as a positive move.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Isn't a bigger problem his base and supporters? They're the ones giving him this power. Yes, we definitely want to make sure trump loses, but his supporters aren't going anywhere. They'll just support the next trump like person, who could be even worse.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

He is borderline senile and doesn't live the healthiest lifestyle. He might damage the system beyond repair, but I doubt he'll stay around for much more than one legislature.

Edit: Before getting angry and comment, do realize I wrote "he might damage the system beyond repair"...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

So my grandpa is almost blind and his hands are shaky... the chances of him hitting me with that gun he is waving around are slim to none... so I guess it's just fine to help him load the gun and make sure he has access to it whenever he wants... right?

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