this post was submitted on 16 May 2024
60 points (98.4% liked)

Archaeology

2190 readers
1 users here now

Welcome to c/Archaeology @ Mander.xyz!

Shovelbums welcome. 🗿


Notice Board

This is a work in progress, please don't mind the mess.


About

Archaeology or archeology[a] is the study of human activity through the recovery and analysis of material culture. The archaeological record consists of artifacts, architecture, biofacts or ecofacts, sites, and cultural landscapes.

Archaeology has various goals, which range from understanding culture history to reconstructing past lifeways to documenting and explaining changes in human societies through time.

The discipline involves surveying, excavation, and eventually analysis of data collected, to learn more about the past. In broad scope, archaeology relies on cross-disciplinary research. Read more...

Rules

  1. Don't throw mud. Be kind and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.
  4. No pseudoscience/pseudoarchaeology.



Links

Archaeology 101:

Get Involved:

University and Field Work:

Jobs and Career:

Professional Organisations:

FOSS Tools:

Datasets:

Fun:

Other Resources:



Similar Communities


Sister Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Plants & Gardening

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Memes


Find us on Reddit

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 13 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Scientists have discovered a long-buried branch of the Nile River that once flowed alongside more than 30 pyramids in Egypt, potentially solving the mystery of how ancient Egyptians transported the massive stone blocks to build the monuments.

The 40-mile-long (64km) river branch, which ran by the Giza pyramid complex among other wonders, was hidden under desert and farmland for millennia, according to a study revealing the find on Thursday.

“But nobody was certain of the location, the shape, the size or proximity of this mega waterway to the actual pyramids site,” said the lead study author, Eman Ghoneim of the University of North Carolina Wilmington in the US.

Radar gave them the “unique ability to penetrate the sand surface and produce images of hidden features including buried rivers and ancient structures,” Ghoneim said.

This indicates that the river played “a key role in the transportation of the enormous building materials and workmen needed for the pyramid’s construction”, she added.

These heavy materials, most of which were from the south, “would have been much easier to float down the river” than transport over land, the study co-author Suzanne Onstine of the University of Memphis said.


The original article contains 503 words, the summary contains 194 words. Saved 61%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I seriously doubt it; the extreme weight of these stones far exceeded the load capacity of any known Egyptian water craft. By, like, a lot.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You have a point, but consider:

  1. Wood doesn’t preserve well.
  2. It’s unlikely they used anything more than a crude raft to transport them.
  3. The wood from the raft was likely reused after they were done using it anyway.
[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Also, they recently discovered a written record from a crew that was transporting some of the stone by boat using artificial waterways that were dug near Giza and filled during the yearly flood of the Nile.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That’s promising! Got a link?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I think this is the one, the Merer diary about Akhet Khufu (their name for the pyramid) and the transport of stones by boat from known quarries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_Merer

The diary was found a good decade ago, it's not even recent. This particular diary anyway, I don't know about more recent discoveries about the waterways. I mean, beside OP's article.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I have a hard time seeing a raft as having the necessary water displacement capability to handle that kind of weight, thought. And they left a written record regarding much smaller craft; so one obvious question, where's the record of any more advanced ship building?

I guess it's just the fact that it's actually really not easy at all to get such enormous chunks of stone to float. But, I also cannot offer any other explanation, so take that as you will...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Ancient Aliens, duh :p

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought about these two factors too, and they bug me.

Clearly there is a way to build a boat that can carry the equivalent of one of those massive blocks. It would have a massive amount of wood and some clever engineering. Whether they knew how or even if the waterways were deep enough for them to go through…

Could it be this was the technological leap that allowed the the big pyramids to be built, and why they stand so much taller than the others? Could it be the knowledge didn’t last long and whatever written record got lost to time? It’s a lot of conjecture.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Oh, I totally agree with your views here, I think. I guess it just bothers me whenever I see some "obvious" solution on some article or headline. The ones who built these monuments achieved something truly incredible, and we still can't explain how they did so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

2,5 tons seems extremely doable for even pretty simple ships.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah that's only a 2.3 m^3 displacement. That's only 35 people roughly. From even a cursory Google I see more people than that painted rowing boats, and that's a pretty pitiful tonnage for transporting goods, like say, two cows.

Methinks the even on record ships we have of the era would do just fine. Almost like the culture with huge variety and skill in watercraft because they live wholly reliant on a river had ways to transport things on that river.