Recommendations and App Promotions sound an awful lot like ads to me. Showing me things I didn't ask for that you wish to sell me....that's called advertising and I don't care what dumb name you call it, they're still ads. Show me only what I actually want to see - the stuff I explicitly choose to pin to my personalized Start menu.
this post was submitted on 09 May 2024
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And this feature was implemented into an OS you have to pay for. πππ
lol, I have never once paid for any of the copies of windows Iβve used over the years
Yes, you have. It's just part of the price for the PC you buy.
While you're not wrong, it's also possible that they simply used cracked versions.
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Microsoft: "We're sorry, this is all just a misunderstanding. We thought you were too stupid to notice."
Hahaha. This one got me.
So, Microsoft recognized and responded to all the complaints by removing the feature that people were objecting to.
Resulting headline: "Microsoft is trying to hide the evidence that they were thinking of doing that thing we hated! Hate them harder!"
Do people want companies to just ignore complaints completely because there's no way to satisfy anyone anyway?
ehh... I think you're missing the part where Microsoft is actively exploiting its customer base throughout its entire product catalogue - the likelihood that this is an actual win is no.
Theyβre tasked with infinitely growing their stock price. That is a suicide job. Working big tech in the USA sucks right now because thereβs no concept of just maintaining and maintaining something well, unless youβre Valve and steam
You could always start suing the US government for allowing shareholder primacy in the first place. Stakeholder primacy is the way to go and everyone knows that. Everyone besides corporate knuckleheads.
This is my first time hearing stakeholder primacy as a term. Can you elaborate on what the grounds youβd sue the stakeholders on? Ie what is the legal premise that youβre proposing you can hold them accountable for?
I never said you sue the stakeholders. They could sue the government for allowing this shit in the first place.
Stakeholder primacy is just the opposition of shareholder primacy essentially. Stakeholders are the employees, the community/society around the company like the town or city it is in. As in they have obligation to care for that.
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People want companies to stop trying to exploit them in every little way.
We can be satisfied by respecting us and treating us as customers, even when advertisers are throwing money at them.
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They don't deserve praise for not doing something bad. They deserve praise when they do something good that they weren't forced to do.
They didn't do this from goodwill, but because it was predicted to hurt the bottom line. They'll do it again as soon as it's forgotten about. This isn't the last you've heard from this.
Too late. I've already switched all four of my home PCs to Linux Mint.
Likewise. Debian, installed Steam, updated my graphics driver, and everything runs smoothly. I'm surprised how well Linux gaming has come along!
To be honest I don't think that Linux is of any concern to them. Windows 11 is losing market share to windows 10. They are competing among themselves.
They need everyone to move on from windows 10 before they start slamming ads in windows 11.
If I needed to install right now, it would be 10, not 11.
Gramps needed his excel icon - on the monitor I might add - or else. Debloat and activation scripts got him his windows 7 and office 2007 experience back, he was very appreciative of my "hack", merely for the same experience he paid for back some 15 years.
He doesn't know what a "Linux" is, but I am greatful that people are still invested enough to make utilities to return back to a more user centric experience in windows - even if I certainly don't care to go back
wipes out evidence
I am certain it can be re-enabled with regedit
Oh man, I was a bit worried. I paid for top dollar equipment for my rig and I would hate for my system to not sweat with a malnourished start menu.
Itβs the first move to making it normalized. Itβs the βtoes in the waterβ stage of advertising in your OS.
Why does this article use the term "real ads" every time instead of just "ads"? Is this just weird or does it have a technical meaning?
Well, if those were "legitimate" ads the OS would have ways of shutting those down.
That aside, anyone thinking that's the last time they'll try that shit is oblivous. It will come back, because why not. Only solution is to finally stop using Windows if you can, or at least dual boot.
As long as you aren't beholden to specific software, it is becoming increasingly pleasant to use the Linux ecosystem.
Frankly, I never understood why businesses were invested in the office suite anyway. Considering there are so many good open source alternatives.
The only pain point in it's getting a little better is graphic design.
Frankly, I never understood why businesses were invested in the office suite anyway.
Then you've never worked in an environment of many people, where nothing compares to office, and you can be confident the file you send will look the same on the other end. This is crucial.
Considering there are so many good open source alternatives.
Oh really? Let me see some tables in Open Office Calc. Oh, yea, the devs flat out said they will not support tables in Calc because it's "bad practice", and you should use a database app instead.
Sorry, it takes me seconds to setup a table in Excel, and I can do all kinds of sorting, filtering, etc with trivial effort. I'm not setting up a DB everytime I need to ad-hoc sort/filter 20 rows. There are constant annoyances like this with these open source office apps. Counterintuitive ways of doing things (or not being able to do things at all).
Nothing out there compares to Office. Considering the licensing costs for enterprise (where you can have 50,000+ users), if they could eliminate that cost without incurring massive productivity losses, don't you think they would?
Plus you have millions (if not billions) of docs, templates, processes (where automation exports their data into Office apps e.g. Word or Excel), for users or business management to use, perhaps in other apps or systems. Whose going to pay to reproduce all that work in another system?
Plus historically, Office 4 (in about 1997) had tight integration - nothing else came anywhere close. And that's been the case ever since. I know when I copy data from any office app that it will properly support OLE - OneNote will embed an excel sheet (or publisher/word doc) just fine. Try that with Calc, and you get some weird behaviour.
I'm glad to see the competition, but it's got a long way to go to make inroads against office.
Frankly, I never understood why businesses were invested in the office suite anyway.
When MS Office really took off back in the Office 97 days there weren't any good alternatives and now MS Office is so embedded that it's almost impossible to dislodge.
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Ii get that reference and hate you for reminding me of it.
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Dunno, but within the context, Microsoft claimed only ads for Microsoft products. Now, whether those products are predatory mobile games for example, well that's technically within the said terms. It's basically a matter of scope and wordplay.
Microsoft is dead to me.
Maybe if after a disastrous enough reception of Windows 11 they might make a Windows 12 that actually cares about being more palatable to the users, like they did with Windows 7 following the disaster that was Vista.
But I think they'll most probably only move to meet us halfway like they did with Windows 10 following the other disaster that was 8. Where they replaced a major irritant with another and then slowly stacked more and more irritants with updates thereafter. They are too addicted to the revenue from data harvesting to give it up.
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What's a "real" ad? They use that term multiple times and I can't imagine how it is different from a normal ad or if the adds that the start menu already had were somehow different from normal ads.
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They aren't ads. They are "App Promotions".
W11 is such a great example of how out-of-touch Microsoft's management and shareholders are. Its market share is tiny compared to W10 and is actively decreasing and they think pulling stunts like this is going to be beneficial in some way. Like even if you follow the usual routine of enshittification, they've missed the entire part where they expand their userbase first before making things worse.
MS needs a leadership shakeup so badly.
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