I met an indigenous person once, and surprise surprise, they weren't offended that I was :im-vegan:. Met some Indians too, and they didn't think I was a neo-nazi for saying "I don't like the dairy industry". Hell, both saw where I was coming from.
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Animal liberation and direct action
- Animal Liberation Press (ALF)
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- Earth First! manual and tactics
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- 18 Theses on Marxism and Animal Liberation
- Racism as Zoological Witchcraft: A Guide to Getting Out
- Animal Liberation
- The Death of Nature
- The Case for Animal Rights
- Anarchism and Animal Liberation
- Total Liberation
- The Unbearable Whiteness of Milk
- Speciesism as a Precondition to Justice
- Beasts of Burden: Animal and Disability Liberation
- Citations Needed on media portrayals of animal rights activists
- The Jungle
Vegan 101 & FAQs
- Black Vegans Rock resources page
- Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach FAQs
- 30 Non-Vegan Excuses & How to Respond to Them
- Guide to justifications for harming and exploiting animals
- Your Vegan Fallacy Is
- The Radical Left’s Top 10 Objections to Veganism (And Why They Suck)
- Animal Liberation Front FAQs
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Take B12. :vegan-edge:
I was inspired to go vegan by an Indigenous friend. That's part of why I find this discourse frustrating sometimes.
Yeah she did her best but this kind of Indigenous fetishism and appropriation is rampant in anti-vegan attitudes and it makes me sad. It also erases the voices of Indigenous vegans.
Indigenous people believe that rock has a soul.
Ooof I can't imagine a more crude and generalizing view of the thousands of separate spiritualties held by Indigenous people.
I hate it too, almost anything can be justified or be turned into a sin for the sake of "solidarity" that way.
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LGBT protections? You did an antisemitism sweaty :)
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People should be allowed to choose their labor regardless of gender!? Sheesh! What did the indigenous ever do to you!?
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You think monarchy is bad!? That goes against the mandate of heaven so clearly you're sinophobic!
Lmao you're gonna have to connect the dots on that first one for me, unless it's just random (in which case fair point, lol)
Kinda, I'm demonstrating how with a GREAT deal of stretching, you can make a justification or demonization for anything.
Zero self awareness
Carninism is one of the most absurd and silly sides to hellworld. It isn't even about eating meat. It's contrarian toxic bullshit overreacting to the very existence of veganism.
Unless you live in the Arctic and eat everything edible in an animal to get scarce nutrients, there really is no excuse to not have some damn plants in a diet.
nah earthling ed is dope, hes very lib but hes earnest as hell and his heart is very much in the right place so i would doubt there would be substantive cuts that frame the debate in a different light
hes also the most phenomenal debater ive ever seen in a way thats like the anti-v*ush, and i feel like hes a great example for leftists to look to for how to "debate" someone when your goal is to actually convince them to your point of view rather than EPICLY DESTROY them. knows his shit of course, but its mostly hes unbelievably patient and calm and understanding, doesnt die on pointless hills, doesnt try and make people feel stupid but rather just "oh yeah i hadnt considered that perspective", and generally really tries to avoid things becoming combative and adversarial while still pushing hard. this girl is incredibly defensive and hostile and seems like a lost cause (i couldnt make it more than a few minutes in), but ive watched quite a few of his "debates" and half of them end with the other person halfway or more towards veganism
2 minutes in and she's already invoking a medical condition to justify why she can't attempt veganism instead of just saying "I'm a picky eater and I like meat".