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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes we may have absolutely shafted our sewage infrastructure but for a few brief quarters we created great value for shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (6 children)

What's with all the water news coming out of the UK?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

Piss poor management for decades has finally been noticed.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Years of poor management and a push for profits over sustainability.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Once the water companies were privatised, they took out massive loans and performed no maintenance. The loans were purely to pay shareholder dividends. Now they're loaded down with debt.

Atop this, that crumbling infrastructure can't handle the increased water flow that's due to rainfall increases. So there's been a general trend of dumping raw sewage into rivers (the fines are cheaper op ex than the capex needed to fix the situation).

It's parasitic capitalism at its finest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sounds a lot like how private equity firms destroy companies.

The bit about the fines being cheaper than the fix is terrible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Privatisation in the 80's has lead to a shitshow, first figuratively and now literally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I don’t defend the decision; but when it was enacted it did work; in exactly and only that specific circumstance, for an exceptionally short period of time. It offloaded a comparatively small bill to the private sector, in exchange for the monopolies; a terrible idea IMHO.

I liken it to a house move. If I must pay removal people, I can either pay them what they ask, or burn everything I own and save on the price of the movers. Burning everything might save me money during moving week, but after that one initial saving, I will be paying ungodly amounts to repurchase everything I burned.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We’re one of the only places in the world with Privatised water, and we’re doing a dramatic reenactment of the case study of why it’s not a good idea.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

It's strange because it also goes against any argument normally used for privatisation.

How do I shop around and get other companies to compete for my service when I can't get a different water supplier or waste removal?

I disagree with the privatisation strategy at the best of times, this just makes the mind boggle.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Ofwat dismissed this plan, prompting shareholders at Thames' parent company, Kemble Water, to withdraw a proposed cash injection and default on debt interest payments.

Thames has now proposed spending an extra £1.1bn on top of its original plans on "projects benefiting the environment", although it did not give details of what these would be.

It is thought that a final decision from Ofwat will come at a crucial meeting on 23 May with a "draft determination" of what companies will be allowed to charge from next year issued on 12 June.

Thames Water chief executive, Chris Weston, said: "Our business plan focuses on our customers' priorities... we've now updated it to deliver more projects that will benefit the environment.

In last month's Oxford and Cambridge boat race, both crews were given safety advice to avoid swallowing water splashed up from the river.

The samples were taken downstream from Little Marlow Sewage Treatment Works, although Thames Water said all discharges from the site had been fully compliant with environmental law.


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