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By Existential Comics

Pictured anarchists: Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin, William Godwin

There is nothing more punk rock than mutual aid.

The term "anarchy" is often used to mean general lawlessness and chaos, invoked positively by people like the Sex Pistols, and as a sort of boogeyman for wealthy property owners who apply it to anyone who is disruptive to society and the status quo. In philosophy, however, the concept of "anarchism", as laid out by people such as William Godwin, Peter Kropotkin, and Mikhail Bakunin, is a society without classes, or any other hierarchical structures where people on the bottom are expected to obey those at the top. Instead, property (such as factories, farms, and infrastructure) is communally owned, and work is done in a cooperative fashion to meet everyone's needs.

Despite calling for peace, cooperation, and equality, Anarchism is treated as a violent ideology by the wealthy property owners of "civilized" society (not entirely without reason, of course, as there have been many anarchists who have called for bombings and assassinations as a tactic). If history tells us much, it is that the wealthy elites in any society are typically rather disinclined to give up their property and power, and generally hold unfavorable views of those calling to change the system. Anarchists have been brutally suppressed throughout history by both capitalists, and state socialists such as the Soviet Union. In fact, in an ironic sort of way, they are far more stigmatized and suppressed than "anarchists" like the Sex Pistols who call for aimless violence and disobedience, for obvious reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How would you ensure everyone is treated as equal and everyone's needs are met without an enforcement mechanism? People are not naturally fair or peaceful.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

People are not naturally fair or peaceful> This is subjective, not objective. Of course if you view yourself and others this way you will think outside force is necessary to keep people in line.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Show me a single example of a society where people choose to treat each other fairly and nobody is violent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Star Trek "Nobody" may be a stretch, but the human imagination has, at least, achieved this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its funny that this person thinks imaginary tales are real life examples. Like what?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Yeah, and their fictional example has government (the protagonists literally act as law enforcement and heavily depend on hierarchy), evil people trying to hurt others, and unfair treatment as a central component of many episodes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Oops fucked up the quotation

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

People are very much parts of and products of the systems they exist in.

Anyway anarchism doesn't mean no organization and no ability to handle dispute. Just ask the Kurds what they think anarchist societies do in response to oppression.

It's good to be trying to learn by asking questions but I also recommend just going and reading about the mechanisms you're asking about.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Certified Liberalism moment™

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago