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[–] [email protected] 221 points 1 year ago (4 children)

British Cycling is sponsored by oil company Shell according to the article.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you mind? I'm trying to be righteously infuriated over here.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

It's amazing how "righteous fury" people seem to get over folks protesting sporting events because the fucking planet is on fire.

"Oh but couldn't they be more calm and quiet about it, I want to watch the race!"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

With participants who likely flew themselves their bikes in from all around the world for a pointless competition. I wouldn't compare an international bike race to a person who rides their bike to work to help the environment.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm sure they had many sponsors? Admittedly, I've done zero research...

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Cycling is environmentally friendly, but let's not equate world championship to cycling as transport. The event itself must have a lot carbon footprint. Still, weird choice of event to protest, but I can see them doing what they can to get the publicity they need.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I think its because of this: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/1915960

I guess big oil has nothing against cycling, as long as its the sport and not the mode of transport...

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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And if they protested people commuting into a city, a huge source of global emissions, they'd be criticized for that too. People always manage to label protests as the wrong time/place. What they really mean is "protest is fine as long as no one, especially me, is asked to actually pay attention to it."

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

And if they protested people commuting into a city, a huge source of global emissions, they’d be criticized for that too.

May, just maybe, those aren't the only two choices. Maybe they could also protest in front of offices of politicians and actually reach the people who can change anything.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Yes, why has no one tried that before, 😂

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Greenpeace recently protested on top of British PM Rishi Sunak's private mansion while he was away. And they still got swamped with "YoU cAnT pRoTeSt LiKe tHaT" and people coming up with the most contrived reasons to say they are hypocritical.

It literally does not matter how these people protests, people will always say they are doing it the wrong way, because chuds dont actually mean it when they say that. They simply dont want them to protest at all, so they can pretend its not happening.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And maybe, just maybe, the protesters should have a goal of not only getting their message out but winning people over to their side. Maybe a goal of gaining support.

I don’t think this strategy of “annoy as many people as you can” will succeed in gaining any positive attention

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I don’t think this strategy of “annoy as many people as you can” will succeed in gaining any positive attention

It's literally the only strategy that has ever worked before, other than outright violence.

After all, who gives a shit about "positive attention" for its own sake? What matters is actually effecting change, and that does not require people to like you.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100%. The moment you point out that this isn’t the way to go you’re instantly seen as the bad one, that you don’t want to be inconvenienced. It’s so dumb.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People have done that but the publicity isn't nearly as large as a globally televised event.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is mildly infuriating but ruining the climate is very infuriating. So I understand the protesting and I hope we're gonna see a good second half of the race.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (8 children)

When you’ve done everything that’s reasonable, and no one in power listens, so have to become unreasonable. And people say, why can’t you just be reasonable?! 😕

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[–] zer0 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's mildly infuriating is that you are complaining about these protesters without providing any details on the protest.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] zer0 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

https://nitter.net/Thisis_Rigged/status/1688142514421661696#m

"Rebecca, 28, “as a trans woman I’ve been told I’m not welcome on the cycling track by UCI, at the same time they allow a petrochemical company to field a team showing they have no real care for people. I take to the track to point out this hypocrisy and stand for a better future”"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shell produces, among other things, resins used so much in modern bicycles' carbon fiber

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Can't recycle them either. You could potentially downcycle carbon fibers but I'm pretty sure in most places they'll just end up in the incinerator, or somewhere in nature.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know about this Cycling competition, but the Tour de france thing has more helper cars, truck, cameraman motorcycle. Entire mobile village with caravan, trucks etc. Thats a lot of ecological impact even if indeed Cycling is one of the greenest transportation method.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Yeah a big competitive bike race with corporate sponsors and television cameras has little to do with cycling as a green method of transportation. It’s a bigass corporate gangbang and a fair target for disruption. Only the most lazy, dense observer would look at the Tour de France and think it was there to promote environmentalism.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I don't know the ideologies of the protestors, but I do agree with protesting against "big cycling". Cycling around on a trusty steel bike which you can repair yourself is environmentally friendly. Buying a new carbon fiber bike every few years because it is 2% more aero than the last is not. Instead of standardized parts, the cycling industry wants you to buy cheap ones that break fast, and can only be replaced with their specific parts. They sell this to you by including some upgrades in chains, cassettes etc. The cycling industry is the same as any other industry, it exists to make profits. Truly sustainable things do not come from making profits.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

And this makes us talk about the fact that cycling is one of the most environmentally friendly alternatives to fuel driven personal transportation.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yeah, there's a big difference between pro cycling and biking to get around. The pro peloton isn't remotely sustainable—lots of international travel, transfers of team cars, team buses, helicopters, signal relay planes, etc. I suppose no pro sport is green. But biking for transport is one of the most efficient and sustainable.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

British Cycling is sponsored by oil company Shell.

Reuters

British Cycling is the Host partner of the championship, according to the official website of the championship (linked to at the UCI website, "Organizer website" section), and its partner is Shell UK (announcement).

Someone pointed it out in the comments before, but it's neatly summarized now 😝

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

So what is your plan instead?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

My guess is that those "protesters" are paid and organized by some oil industry people (maybe without the activists glued to the floor knowing about this), just to give real climate activists a bad image. I've talked to a real climate activist recently, and she was furious about those "gullible idiots".

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's not the point though is it, smartass?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Cycling races are very polluting. Not because of the bikes but because of everything besides the bikes (cars, motocycles, cameras, plastic goodies, ...)

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