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[–] 142 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Corporations cut corners because the fines they're issued by the government don't go far enough. They get a slap on the wrist and work it out in the wash.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Corporations cut corners because the fines they're issued by the government don't go far enough.

    But in the example for the shipping company the example is that the company used a minimum amount of crew. Using a minimum amount of crew isn't something they'd get fined for.

    If the regulation wasn't enough or if tugs should've been used then it's strange to claim that the fine isn't high enough. As the regulations were followed.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Why don't we treat stuff like this like car collisions? The owner of the ship should be on the hook for the entire bridge cost plus loss of life.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Because corporate personhood is different than person personhood?

    I always find it interesting to take corporate fines, translate them to a % of gross income and then apply it to my salary to put it in perspective.

    Here’s the best part, a basic 1st offense traffic ticket is usually way more expensive. (I assume a ticket would be around $250 not counting the increased insurance rates.)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Because corporate personhood is different than person personhood?

    Yes, in the sense that the former is fictional bullshit regardless of what the increasingly-illegitimate Supreme Court says.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It gets a little weird with the web of ownership, use case, contract details and people involved.

    Ok it can get really weird… hear me out.

    Basically in most cases the vessel owner is only liable up to value of the vessel itself. It’s something that like much of the maritime industry came about from practices in the 19th century and vessel ownership back then. Unfortunately, the vessel is likely worth no where near as much as taking out a fucking bridge. Also in any given scenario a vessel could be owned by the captain, owned by a corp, leased by a corp to a captain, leased by a corp to another corp etc. weird ownership scenarios like those are commonplace in shipping.

    In certain circumstances a company can be on the hook but the other big wrinkle is determining who is liable in the first place like the vessel crew, or port crew (but for instance if someone from on shore is working on the vessel at the time they are considered acting crewmembers). This is compounded with the whole mechanical error issue and how supposedly the vessel was having maintenance work done before hand, but then lost power twice? Insurance inspectors are going bonkers at this point.

    Point is this is a way wackier scenario to deal with compared to your average fender bender. But in a way kinda has to be, not because of lobbying or corporate malfeasance but because of the complex nature of maritime law, shipping, and insurance.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    On Wednesday, Maryland State Police recovered the bodies of Alejandro Hernandez Fuentes and Dorlian Ronial Castillo Cabrera inside a pick-up truck submerged 50 feet beneath the Patapsco River.

    Fuck, i have nightmares about this kind of shit. Poor guys

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    In the early 2000's I was working at a saw mill in northwestern Ontario that was a 200 km (120 mile) round trip from home, on a 2 lane highway that zig-zagged through the Canadian shield. There were often lakes on one side and steep ravines on the other, and we often had to dodge moose in the winter (who were kneeling in the middle of the highway licking salt off the road).

    One of my crew taught me a valuable lesson then ... that the minute you put the vehicle into drive you also unlock your electric doors, so that if you do end up in the water there is a chance you can get out of the vehicle.

    I still do it to this day.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    That fucked me all up when I rolled a car.

    I was upside down and the emergency fuel pump shutoff had already triggered, but I was freaking out because I couldn’t open the door.

    I tried punching out the glass and that didn’t work so finally I thought I had better shut this car off before it catches on fire.

    Then I reached up to turn the key off and heard the doors unlock.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    My mother used to keep a brick in the car for this reason. I probably should too.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    they make glass break tools that are much better. They usually also have integrated seat belt cutters. Probably less expensive than a brick. They look like tiny plastic hammers with a hardened bearing as the striking surface.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Resqme is the best from what I’ve heard. No hammer shape, just press to the window and push.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    If it works, it works.

    The spring loaded things are basically automatic center punches.

    Whatever you do get, simplicity and ease of use should be top of mind.

    Remember , in a crash you’re probably dazed from the impact (and air bag,) and jonsing on adrenaline. Basically, you become a total moron.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Further to this if you have an old spark plug at home, crack the white ceramic part off the spark plug with a hammer and the little shards (also known as ninja rocks) will break glass when thrown or hammered against the window.
    They work because their 'hardness' is higher than the window glass and cause it to shatter. Also breaking a car window with a brick is much harder than it appears (i locked my keys in my car once a few hours from home, and it didnt work after repeated attempts).

    Another thing (if your ever in the situation) car windscreens are designed to be pushed out from the inside, so if trapped just put your feet against the glass and push and it will pop right out.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Get a quality glass breaker and seatbelt cutter instead. Make sure you clip it or stick it somewhere so it can't move. Things have a tendency to shift around violently in a car-wreck, which is exactly why you shouldn't have a loose brick in your car.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This kind of feels like it was written by a large language model. There's lots of content. But there's no through line. No cohesive narrative tying it all together.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, I noticed the same thing. Lots of paragraphs that start with "[person/thing] is [context/role]". I wonder whether it's actually human written, but they poorly integrated too many individual perspectives into the article. Building a narrative from fragments in this way takes a lot of skill to pull off, perhaps they were too ambitious (or too cautious — I've seen this pitfall when the writer is too tentative in making their own argument on a spicy topic)

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It shows us again that we must have strong regulations and that the Market™ is a belief.

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    That's weird. I heard the bridge collapsed because the mayor is a black guy.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Wtf, a container is bigger than most ships in there.

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