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[META] Should this community function like the subreddit r/changemyview? (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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For those who aren't familiar, r/changemyview (CMV), is a subreddit similar to this one (and its reddit counterpart) where posts are made with the intention of counter-arguments being made in the comments below.

Do you think that this community should function similarly? Where OPs are expected to receive counter-arguments for their unpopular opinions? Or do you think this community should only be for expressing those opinions in a safe space?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Personally, I prefer the CMV strategy. Obviously, it would be possible to just create a CMV page here, but I've argued in the past about how fractured Lemmy communities are before and would hate to contribute to the problem.

I like being given the chance to argue against actually unpopular opinions (read: not just two-sentence ragebait posts). I think it keeps threads more active than other communities, and on a more personal note, I just enjoy good-intentioned debate with opposing views. But I also acknowledge that this isn't entirely the purpose of Unpopular Opinion (or the original subreddit that we're based on).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I actually really like this idea, but the mods aren't practically non-existent on this community. I think only the way they'd see this post is if someone reports it.

Edit: oops, I forgot that I think you can tag people, but I'm not sure because never tag anyone

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

good-intentioned debate

I want to see this too and not just shit-posts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

How about an optional tag that indicates an interest in CMV-style discussions as opposed to a rant/vent post? Default to rant/vent and allow the poster to opt in (or flip that so default is CMV and posters can choose to tag it as a vent).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I think it would be cool, but I'm not sure if this community could pull it off. It requires pretty active moderation to make sure posters are engaging with disagreers and that everyone is debating in good faith. They also had a bot to keep track of deltas being awarded, but honestly I'm not sure if that was used for anything important.

More importantly, it also relies on a pretty high amount of traffic to get quality posts and comments with people giving actually well thought-out and well communicated arguments. Right now we instead get a lot of shitposts, exaggerated generalizations, and posts with no elaboration whatsoever. It would require a dramatic shift to say the least.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

i’m not opposed but for anything of the sort to happen the community needs to have mods who are active first

the mods here haven’t been proactively moderating towards a healthy community (as other communities do) for a hot second and misinformation and proto-hate speech had a huge spike about two weeks ago

right now the community is just a blank canvas where you can really plaster anything, and only the most obscene of the obscene gets removed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Each should stay in their lane. There's already enough trouble when CMV essentially becomes unpopular opinion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I like unpopular opinion because it functions more as "unpopular facts". It can disprove popular narratives or myths. Knowledge from the comments can reveal some objective truth.

CMV simply refutes your point, whether or not you're "right". Like you could say "racists are bad" and somebody would have to "prove" you wrong.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

No.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

Nothing on Lemmy should be "like reddit". That's why we're here and not there. Stop trying to turn this place into the other place.