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And the Toyota is likely a 1-ton model, meaning it can haul more weight in its bed than the Ford. One of my first jobs was at a delivery company and we used a lot of these little Toyota and Isuzu trucks because they could get into smaller locations easily and they could haul more weight.
This bullshit is because they want these pickups to be "multi purpose"
Its now a family vehicle! Take your kids to school and go straight to work after!
Safer in crash tests since you decimate sedans!
Go to BJs or Costco and load up on all the toilet paper you want!!
See even farther down the road with higher and brighter headlights! Sedans will let you pass when you blind them with these touchlights!
A little of this. A lot more of, truck manufacturers are now either uninterested or incapable of making vehicles that exist inside of legal emissions restrictions, so they blow up the wheelbase to class it up to SUV class. The bigger the vehicle the less restrictive emissions laws are.
https://newrepublic.com/article/180263/epa-tailpipe-emissions-loophole
Good read. Thanks. Nice to see the EPA is trying bit corporate lobbying is the constant battle.
Legallize is its own language and people make a career writing in loopholes and preserving profits. Public safety and global stability be damned.
Part of the whole multipurpose craze is also just that few people can afford to own multiple vehicles anymore. My dad owns a little hatchback for a daily driver and a fuckoff big pickup for when hauling needs to be done but he can only do that because he knows enough about vehicles to buy and fix cheap old piles of crap and keep them going. The average person doesn't know how to do that so they need to buy newer vehicles and those vehicles are heniously expensive now so buying one daily driver is enough of a struggle let alone buying a seperate work vehicle. If they need to both take the kids to soccer practice and haul things then I can see how someone might think a suburbitank is a good idea.
But like you said, there are also a lot of people who own these massive trucks but don't need them. If the paint on the truck is unblemished or there isn't a spot of dirt on it then that driver can go fuck themselves because clearly the only utility that vehicle is serving is as an ego prosthetic. Real working vehicles get beat up. Seeing a clean spotless truck is like seeing a mechanic without a spot of dirt on them; they both clearly aren't working.
95% of the fuck off pick ups I see in the city are basically mall crawlers. The bed really never seeing any kind of real use. Not a spot or scratch anywhere on the damned things.
Over the 10 years I've lived in my apartment complex there are more and more of these big ass oversized trucks parking in our lot and 1 of 20 looks like it's being used for it's purpose.
ESPECIALLY WHEN I SEE A PICKUP WITH FUCKING RIMS ON IT!!
The growth of truck/SUV size is largely due to EPA regulations with a "footprint" clause that allows larger vehicles to have less strict efficiency requirements. Kind of counterintuitive, really
Oh it's 100% them cheating emissions
They're justifying the extras and upping the price
Smells like a steak and seats 35!
This is unironically what these US vehicles look like to Europeans.
Bonus:
The car in the middle is a Volvo V70. That is a very large car in Europe. Now compare that to the size of the US thing, it's ridiculous.
Calling a mid sized European car "a very large car in Europe" is weird, it's literally the middle of the three cars they offer (the bigger being the 90, which is fairly common, tho they have hatchecks too). It's basically BMW5 or Mercedes E.
(Btw, bottom left, there is another V70.)
The image is still def disgusting, I support a direct ban on these pickup things, they are sold to ego-hungry folk to make then feel bigger.
Vans are much better & basically without downsides.
They even drive better.
Oh, and extra regulation on angles of the bonnet in regards to height please.
European pick-ups do have a place. You need to have to both tow, and go off-road regularly. Basically, horse owners, farmers, and some areas of construction. American pick-ups are just obscenely big, and completely inappropriate for almost all uses.
A van wins in almost all cases, except off-road performance. Vans are hilariously bad at that.
And yet all those areas you mentioned managed just fine until now and there are way more pickup trucks than people who use them in those ways.
If it's for hard work it doesn't need to be a personal vehicle.
Don't get me wrong, 90%+ who have one really don't need one. I'm not arguing with that.
The acid test is how dirty it is. If it's always ultra shiny, it's an ego prosthetic. If it's regularly mud splattered etc, it's more likely to be legit.
The XC90 is 10cm longer and the same width. Hardly any bigger. It just looks that way because it is built to topple and cartwheel better
I didn't say XC90/SUV.
The V90 is a further 13cm longer than XC90 & is V70 shaped (that's why the comparison).
You're right!
Trucks should either be a 1992 Ford Ranger extended cab or a full-size commercial box truck or flatbed for actual commerical hauling needs. Most trucks in the midrange between those levels are just bad at both worlds.
Heard. I have a 63 ranchero as my daily. Perfect size and can haul 600lbs. More than enough for your average joe. Bring back utes man, the aussies have the right idea.
Serious trucks are duallies and haul big trailers.
The US needs to stop giving special tax breaks to giant trucks.
It's not a tax break. Emissions standards for vehicles were established a couple decades ago. Some lobbying happened, as it does, and an exception was given to pickup trucks. Not an exception carving out work trucks in particular, just all pickups. Then someone had the idea to build a minivan around a pickup truck chassis and now we have SUVs everywhere.
In 1978, Congress established the “Gas Guzzler Tax,” requiring automakers to pay between $1,000 and $7,700 for every car produced that gets less than 22.5 miles per gallon. But the tax only applies to passenger vehicles like sedans and station wagons. SUVs and pickups, which often have much worse gas mileage, are exempt. That omission makes no sense from a policy perspective, but it is good news for carmakers producing inefficient behemoths.
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This isn't tax breaks, it is EPA economy vs passenger space rules meant to force automakers to develop more fuel efficient engines. Instead, automakers keep extending the cabs and wheelbase. That's why all the big trucks are super cabs with tiny beds.
It is multiple things. The CAFE light truck loophole you mention, the car footprint loopholes that were added by bush and Obama, and the lowest in the world gas taxes, and the gas guzzler tax which only applies to passenger cars and sedans but not to trucks and SUV's.
In 1978, Congress established the “Gas Guzzler Tax,” requiring automakers to pay between $1,000 and $7,700 for every car produced that gets less than 22.5 miles per gallon. But the tax only applies to passenger vehicles like sedans and station wagons. SUVs and pickups, which often have much worse gas mileage, are exempt. That omission makes no sense from a policy perspective, but it is good news for carmakers producing inefficient behemoths.
At this point policy ideas that benefit us at all sound like some faraway dream.
I like the cowcatcher on the front
That didn't help much it seems :-)
What do you mean, only one person got caught.
if I wasn't poor (and knew how to fix cars) I would totally get one of those baby Japanese kei trucks, they're SO CUTE
get in bitch, we're going 50 on the interstate 😎😎
You can still find the old mazda b-series pickups or ford rangers (they're the same truck) around ocasionally. They're the perfect size for an all in one vehicle. You get the utility of a truck without having to own multiple vehicles or daily drive a land barge. Sure, you won't be hauling farm equipment with one but they're the perfect size for moving furniture, hauling materials for light to moderate construction work, or trailering a normal sized fishing boat. Hell, if you don't care about the truck you can do even more than that. I once hauled an entire pallet of landscaping blocks in the bed of my 90s B2200. Probably around a ton of blocks. Sure it bottomed out the suspension but I used back roads, took the drive home slow, and got home without any issue. You could get all that utility in basically the same wheelbase as a modern car.
I would haul so much secondhand furniture and appliances in that bad boy.
that's more than most Ford f150s lol
Reminds me of the Ferd Fteenthousand. https://youtu.be/F8P5vGcf-NU
You beat me to it 🤣
"Do you have any history of mental illness in your family?"
"I have a cousin who drives a pickup truck to work in an office."
God I miss mini trucks. Like... give me a little Datsun or one of those older Toyotas.
Japanese kei trucks aren't popular in my area but it's nice seeing them around. Slate will be releasing a truck in 2027. It is a two door small truck. They say the price will be under $30k.
Do you believe it?
I believe it is possible since it is so bare, but I'm not going to put money down just in case the truck is horrible.
I like the size of new Mavericks, but Ford, bleh
Canyonero!
I went to school with a kid that had a z71 on 44s as a daily driver. 1 tire at that size is 1700 bucks. So a truck that can fit 44s sits up insanely high, if you're driving up a hill you cant see anything in front of you or under you for that matter. Anyway numb nuts big truck boi turned into a store front with a slight hill at the entrance, he hits and kills an old lady cause he couldn't see her because of his tiny penis truck. Worst part is the kid was loaded so he got off Scott free
As a dude that just bought a truck I feel attacked 🫢
Yeah, you kinda aaaaaare
Tbf I bought it for pulling an rv and for making hoop houses. I wanted a ranger but I bottomed out a friends when we filled it with galvanized poles. Totally besides the point but I think I'm gonna deck it out in gay stickers.
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