On sh.itsfulla.chuds, and the plan going forward (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by TomboyShulk@hexbear.net to c/announcements@hexbear.net

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Greetings gamers and those who wisely abstain,

It has become clear to us that even in the short while we’ve federated, the situation with sh.itholefor.nazis is entirely untenable and we will be defederating immediately. Multiple instances of ableist and homophobic slurs directed at our users, overwhelming litigiousness against even the most innocuous comments by our users, and just a general ethos of reactionary behavior. We’re done and out.

One of the concerns with embracing TC69 thought on site bans with federation is that the user would basically be just hexbear-side hidden and blocked from our comms, free to post reactionary content without the fear of Lenin behind them. That was a silly concern. We will resume our pre-federation policies regarding site bans.

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[-] Huldra@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Can't wait to hear about this on reddit-logo again accusing us of being sore losers that the bigots dont like us, rather than really caring about bigotry.

[-] beautiful_boater@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yeah, I think we should try to be a bit more federated than just us and Lemmygrad, but obviously defederate with any instance tolerating bigoted behavior. I was always against the SJW since any contact I had with them pre-federation always gave me the vibes of the most reddit-logo Lemmy instance. And, I think, they have been defederated already, but most of the tech oriented instances we were federated with in the past are also quite reactionary (e.g. programming.dev). Which sucks, but I think it would be best to just create an account on the other instances to see outside Linux communities rather than federation.

But as long as other instances don't whine and complain about being "brigaded" when called out on bigotry or have users DMing bigotry/harassment I think that we can maybe tolerate federation with instances more Lib than us (surprising that's possible, I know). There's always the "Local" button and blocking.

But with respect to the last point, I do think we should prioritize Hexbear being a cool place to hang out with comrades that is welcoming to everyone, over trying to bully Libs on other instances to be slightly less reactionary.

[-] gregheffley@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Lately it feels like the Hexbear solidarity has been at like 1000% which is amazing, but if our trans comrades are getting threatened and harassed like this- and it becomes a routine problem- I would much rather just be federated with lemme grad or other proven friendly communities exclusively.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

Disappointing. We picked up real support among some there.

All we are doing is isolating ourselves from ideological participation, and thus leaving the npc libs that are otherwise amenable to hearing our side at the mercy of fascists without opposition.

My position is that time should be allowed to play out to ban the fascists and clear house, this is a process that takes time when federating because initially there are a lot of them and they don't all make themselves known at the same time. As time goes on however and more and more get added to the banlist the issue would die down, leaving out the fascists while leaving the npc libs still capable of hearing what the left has to say.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah without federation hexbear probably dies. The past few months prior to federation were dire. So many pointless internal arguments and the amount of users and activity seemed to be dwindling. Getting back onto upstream Lemmy and some form of federation was desperately needed.