Did you enjoy that? Well, i think we're done here, theres little in that worth responding to. Speaking of mirrors, perhaps spend some time in front of one, might do you good.
I think you should slow down and re-read a lot of what has been said. Your rebuttals are only tenuously linked to the arguments. I'll try to explain more with some supplementary comments below.
Is rape, torture, and murder needed for resistance? No, and it undermines the causes of those who conduct themselves that way in resistance. Thats what Oct 7th was. Out of all the propaganda and framing Israel puts out Oct 7th is a crime of the Hamas of that time and their associated groupings. Your fighting an poor, distasteful and losing argument trying to put Oct 7th down to framing, and propaganda.
I suggest focusing on the actual crimes and distortions that are committed, we have no need for made up ones when the examples are abundant.
Then you have to recognize that Australian ideals are entirely in line with what Israel is doing. Australia's actions, both then and now, show that.
This is foolish to believe Australia's actions demonstrate any ideals like what Israel is doing. They may be too soft, like many countries, but they are decidedly in the opposite direction of these genocidal actions.
I thought we were talking about Australia's values? Why are you talking about your own personal ones now?
Your responding to something thats not written. It wasn't an expression of my personal values, but a comment on your inability to sort your own ideologogy and perhaps a prejudice you harbour for Australia, from the ongoing crimes Israel is committing.
Being a raging firebrand on the internet might be emotionally satisfying in the moment, but in the end the realities of this world reassert themselves, and we then have to deal with the destruction and creation of what is left. Its easier if theres less rebuilding when the inevitable time comes. Don't forget that.
UN aid teams plead for access amid reports Gazans shot collecting food
Your points read like propaganda, they're not a reflection of reality. I suggest you read the link above.
UNWRA was compromised
Doesn't matter that you think they're some cartoonish bad guy. Its not a spy agency, its an aid agency and it needs to work with Palestinian people in the country.
By Israel's conveniently umbrella-like 'assessments' of these compromised 'agents' half the US military would be classified Taliban because they farted in Kabul. They're people working in the place they're in, with the people they're with.
People don't get to both sides starvation or colllective punishment, or the myriad other crimes. Israel is starving the population of Gaza, simple. When/if we see Hamas doing it, you'll see my attitudes towards starvation of populations, and other crimes unchanged.
As i've said above, it doesn't matter Hamas' crimes, it doesn't mean Israel gets a free pass on their crimes, and withholding food aid, or using it as a method of coercion absolutely are ongoing crimes.
I've never seen any verified and independent evidence of this iron grip Hamas apparently has over this bombed out tent city. Read the linked article, who would have thought scarcity created by Israel has had spiralling and detrimental effects on the social cohesion of ~2 million men, women and children.
Unfortunately Israel attempts to block the worlds view of what is happening in Gaza, so their claims must be read down as suspicuous at best, but more likely lies, until one day their actions match their words.
Four rationing points, and this is for a free people of millions?
Aid distributed and closely guarded by their oppressors. Freely given, no coercion, you think?
Think about those questions as you watch this murderous State squeeze this population, and extinguish these people's lives.
Occupied people have a right to resistance
Absolutely, and the arguments demigrating Hamas never accounted for the fact they're a key force fighting against the oppression.
That is not what was done on October 7th, it doesn't undermine the Palestinian cause for freedom, but that was shameful, and completely undermines their cause, as has been demonstrated by the insane response by the Israelis and the lack of care by a lot of people around the world.
You know the people i'm sure, the "they brought it on themselves" crowd.
European settlers exterminating indigenous people to take their land is about as inline with Australian ideals as it gets
Australia has a terrible past, and we haven't treated our first Australians in any way well, but there are a lot of us trying to reconcile the past and build a better future with what we have.
We haven't lived up to the ideals we aspire to in the past, but that doesn't mean we discard them. It means we acknowledge our failures and begin to make amends where its possible.
No, what Israel and The US are doing is catastrophically bad. It is exactly what my comment warned against.
Israel cannot be trusted to deliver anything for the Palestinians in good faith. What happens as soon as the world's eyes shift.
The Israeli's cannot be trusted to be fair minded on this issue for the same reason victims of rape cannot be allowed to name the sentence of their rapist. An impartial party that can as genuinely as possible guarantee the actual aid delivery in the amounts is needed.
I think that video is shot like its a PR stunt, but it doesn't even matter if its real, fake, a PR stunt, or the sign of a genuine change. There can be no genuine assurances while the Israelis and the US allies control the aid flow, there is no impartiality, and every reason for them to use the aid to maximise their own benefit. Its grotesque that this needs to be explained.
These quotes are from your linked article, and summarise the issue well,
Jens Laerke, spokesperson for the UN aid coordination office, OCHA: "It is a distraction from what is actually needed, which is a reopening of all the crossings into Gaza, a secure environment within Gaza and faster facilitation of permissions and final approvals of all the emergency supplies that we have just outside the border; [aid] needs to get in."
UNRWA Commissioner-General Philippe Lazzarini was equally blunt. "This new aid model is not only wasteful but a distraction from atrocities," he told Reuters. The GHF system, Lazzarini argued, circumvents established humanitarian norms and risks using food as a weapon of population control.
Wasn't it? Okay.
Its [email protected], i hope they know, i know they're a good person.
Lots of AZ regulars know each other's views fairly well now. I's actually surprised this was seagoon's first comment in this thread tbh.
Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants to control the distribution to prevent this.
If the Israeli's had shown an ounce of good faith actions throughout this whole horrible period, then maybe this demand would be less critically read.
But as it stands they have constricted supply of food, electricity and everything else as much as they can, restricted the water supply to, i think, one desal plant, don't let journalists (even target them) in for a less biased appraisal of whats going on, continually attack the UN and International court for their calls for investigations, attack medical workers, as well as killing, through, bombs or other means, the Palestinians en-masse no matter their gender, age, or relation to their so called enemy Hamas.
Multiple internal surveys of Israeli public opinion paint a putrid picture of the overall societies vision for the ongoing survival of the Palestinian people.
And so, after all of this, the international community is supposed to trust the Israelis will act in good faith and fair dealing in their distribution of aid and resources?
I think not.
You're not understanding. Theres a point when the crimes become so heinous that it doesn't matter what justification they claim, no justification is sufficient. Israel has passed that point, a long time ago in my opinion.
October 7th was heinous and likewise Hamas' crimes have no justification. That doesn't somehow ameliorate or absolve the Israelis of the crimes they're committing.
The difference between the two groups from an Australian perspective is, Israel is a so called liberal democratic nation and has been an erstwhile ally of Australia due to our percieved alignment in values.
What they are doing to Palestinians is so against these ideals that it must call into question our relationship with them.
In Hamas' case Australia has next to no relationship with, so our reaction to their behaviour is more simple, as its a contnuation of our determinations of them as a group.
He qualified what he meant by that statement in his very next breath. And it very much wasn't a call for imperialism.
It doesn't do anyone well to ignore the clearly stated intentions behind somebody's words.
Yeah, i don't know much about how much sugar is too much, but if its got one downside i'd guess its pretty sugary stuff.
$10 at my local IGA, one tin lasted me all Autumn/Winter last year, and then some this year.
Its a delicate taste, so i only have milk and water with it, extra sugar isnt needed in my opinion. I add the milk first, i feel like it burns a bit if hot water goes in first.
Its super cheap per cup, less wasteful (no teabags), doesn't leave that dryness that tea tannins leaves in your mouth, and doesn't have the caffeine high of coffee.
Theres apparently a bunch of vitamins that are meant to be pretty good for ya, but i'm not great on understanding all that vitamin a, b, c, stuff so i'll leave it there.
Oh wow! Thats Glebe, i went through there on the bus once. Nice to be able to put a name to the place.