Meloni heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.

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[–] 109 points 3 years ago (2 children)

how to tell if youre in a facist state:
the person accusing the facist goes to jail

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  • [+] -6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Then it's not a fascist state. Moving on

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    Historically, fascists didn't start off with genocide. First, they got democratically elected...

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    The nazis started by targeting lgbtq+ people. I wonder what scapegoat the far right has settled on these days?

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    Right. Your point? That because many governments are doing it, it's not fascism? Or are you being sarcastic and denying that lgbtq+ (particularly trans people atm) are being targeted?

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    Lol who's saying italy is a fascist "place"? It's the current government which is fascist. The party flag literally has a prominent fascist symbol. Meloni constantly spews fascist rhetoric.

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    I've got a better understanding of it than you it seems

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    "Nobody is harmed by rhetoric" is an incredibly shortsighted thing to say. And Meloni has already started passing anti-lgbtq+ laws...?

    Also the US very much has a massive fascist presence in its governmental system. And the Democrats are liberals, not anti-fascists.

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  • [+] -58 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    It's the sign of a civilised state, where you can't just randomly offend whoever you want a scale, you need to go to court and prove that you actually have proofs about what you're saying. I applaud this move from the government, the left wings after years of cutting public services to bend to corporativism and ECB, leaving the country in the hands of all sort of migrants without doing anything for security, finally got what they deserve, and now everyone else is a fascist, but with no content

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Oh, Lemmy has fascists now.

    The left wing was cutting public services, right. Famous left wing policy. I think you're thinking of liberals.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    One of the main 'issues' with decentralised social media is that it allows the fringes of the political spectrum to have a platform. We'll have to find a way to get along.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure I want to "get along" with fascists.

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    Defederation is an outrageously blunt instrument for moderation.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's part of a process.

    • Step 1. Nazi says nazi things.
    • Step 2. Non nazi reports to instance admin.
    • Step 3. If the nazi is local, the instance admin can choose to ban. If not, the instance admin can choose to ban the user from their own instance and then escalate to the nazi's instance admin.
    • Step 4. If the nazi's instance admin takes action, the nazi needs to find a new home, end of story. If not, that means that the nazi's instance admin is chill with nazi shit.
    • Step 5. The local instance admin can then chose to defederate from an instance that is chill with nazi shit.

    To me this looks like a pretty robust process. What other steps would you add?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Main thing I can think of is an option for non-admin users to block an instance on the client side. Like blocking a community or user except it does both, for everybody from that instance.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It can't be that whoever has a different opinion is a fascist, also because I was just having a conversation, it doesn't make sense, if everyone else is a fascist, the term loses any meaning and it's hard to fight back the real fascists. Guess another issue with the boom of lemmy is that all the judge juries and executors from twitter are arriving.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    No you're just a fascist agreeing with a fascist government. Might as well call yourself what you are.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Let me guess, whoever disagrees with your subjective experience is also a fascist am I rite

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    That’s a fair point, I would agree in general, but those who are often asked to prove what they say are usually people in positions of power or with a huge base, like in this case a singer, not some poor working class. I can’t understand how why you people think that going to court for asserting guilt is fascist..

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    I am not sure I understand what you are saying, it seems a bunch of buzzwords put together in a random way, starting from a civil court trial for defamation up to mafia to supreme court and back, they’re not even the same courts. Sorry I am not interested in juggling, there is a guy who has to prove that what he said has basis and is not defamation, he has money to pay for a lawyer, if you think everyone should be able to offend anyone without effects, be it, i don’t agree

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