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    How we look at the world as a superior species (sh.itjust.works)
    submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    That sucks. Yeah, there's a million combinations of hardware out there. I on the other hand installed linux on two pretty ancient laptops and revived them from being too slow to even use with windows, and the builtin web cam worked perfectly on both. /shrug

    No one is saying Linux has no challenges, just that the image of it that most people have is outdated. I've had issues on windows with some extremely stupid hardware issues myself. Can't pretend it's perfect either.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    I don’t think anyone is deranged enough to call Windows “perfect”. It’s just the most supported operating system by virtue of being the most widely used operating system. And it will likely stay that way until enough people like us show up in the usage statistics for manufacturers to consider first-class Linux support.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    The comment I made originally though doesn't imply that Linux is anywhere near the most supported. I'm just saying, in like 90% of cases someone who could install and use Windows could do the same with Linux, and many would even prefer it.

    You found an example of Linux being a pain, dude I could talk all day about Windows doing the same. The last time I tried to give Windows a chance as a dev machine -- WSL would be broken literally every couple of days. It's a joke of a broken system especially in light of how solid people think it is.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    WSL works fine. The only issue I’ve ever had with it pertains to mouse weirdness with SDL, and I had the same exact issue in a level 2 VM due to the way they handle mouse input. I still use it all the time when I’m not working in Linux for one reason or another.

    More importantly, that’s not the point: bringing up WSL already means we’re talking about at most 1% of Windows users. You’re failing to consider the user experiences of

    1. the person who can’t tell you the difference between an OS and a web browser (usually also the person that thinks pressing the power button on the monitor turns off the PC)
    2. the prolific email answerer, who generally refuse to use anything other than Gmail (see person 1) or Outlook (bonus points if they still have an Exchange server with a custom “lastlame.com” domain they set up before the dot-com bubble burst)
    3. the godmother of lost kitten posters and printed-out recipes (LibreOffice doesn’t have Comic Sans or WordArt, and my beige-plastic printer from 2001 is difficult enough to use on Windows!)
    4. the Gamer™, who would be pissed to find out they can’t install Razer spyware to make their $500 in peripherals induce seizures to the beat of skibidi toilet
    5. the Nvidia user, who wouldn’t have that bad of an experience these days, but has heard enough horror stories to not even consider it
    6. the artist (unless the state of drawing tablet support has changed recently; I haven’t checked)
    7. the hi-fi boyz (this post was brought to you by HDR gang)

    THESE people represent a strong majority of PC users, and they all have reason (good or bad) to avoid Linux. The fact of the matter is, if you’re a programmer like me or yourself, your opinion is skewed strongly towards Linux because the last 20 years of development were mostly fueled by the Android kernel and enterprise/datacenter deployments, both of which disproportionately benefit our use case.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    WSL works fine

    No, it doesn't. You've said my experience is invalid so no more engagement can happen on my side.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    I said “fine”, not “flawless” haha. I don’t think your experience is invalid, just that it is verifiably atypical. If your experience were commonplace, nobody would use it.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

    Have you used Docker on WSL? Seems like a pretty common use-case.

    If your experience were commonplace, nobody would use it.

    I think only specific classes of developers actually do use it. In the circles I'm a part of, I'm the only person who ever talked about trying Docker on WSL. Most devs I've ever met almost cannot stop themselves from saying "eww" if you even mention windows.