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[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah this is a massive problem for us 3D artists. Finding references has become a big problem...

But keep pumping out takes that AI is necessary to express yourself or that we're stupid luddites for hating this stuff!

I normally avoid struggle sessions on this topic since practically no one involved seems to A) use AI in any way or B) feels the squeeze of these things but I'm going to start getting a bit more involved now that this is affecting more people, and I'm sorry but if I see more takes like "AI is helping me deal with my aphantasia and ur a bigot for dismissing it" (a real fucking take ive seen on here btw), I will reply guy you to death.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't mean to be rude but it literally is luddism. Image generative AI and LLM's are only a problem because people release them onto the web in whatever harebrained manner they see fit. Under a different form of production, where the development and implementation of such materials is directed by central planning which could account for this foreseeable issues, this tool could be limited to quarantined zones where people can mess around with it, but it's not leaking out into databases that are generally a storage of human thought. Thus this problem of digital kessler syndrome wouldn't happen. I don't think you're stupid luddites. You're right in that this manifestation of the tech does in fact need to be smashed. However, in the way you've said it here, it seems like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater and condemning a technology which does not bring itself into existence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Luddism was a rational reaction to something used to crush a very early form of working class, the luddites weren't the stupid assholes theyre commonly portrayed at, you might want to self crit on using an ancient cliché whipped up by factory owners and capitalists because yikes.

Its amusing to get this kind of accusation because I do unfortunately use AI, ive used it for years before it exploded like it did back in 2022-23, yet i always thought of it as yet another stupid grift, used only to bypass artistic process and come up with the most boring slop with the widest appeal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I can see how my comment implied that I think Luddites are idiots but that wasn't my intention. "I don't think you're stupid luddites" as in I don't think your qualms are stupid. Furthermore, I don't think Luddites were either. That being said, I will critique them as Marx did. Early Luddism did explicitely destroy factory equipment. I will note that when I say that it is based merely on Marx's comments in capital in reference to the movement. I'm not a historian and my knowledge of them ends there. If you have new information to contradict his account then please pass it along.

The enormous destruction of machinery that occurred in the English manufacturing districts during the first 15 years of this century, chiefly caused by the employment of the power-loom, and known as the Luddite movement, gave the anti-Jacobin governments of a Sidmouth, a Castlereagh, and the like, a pretext for the most reactionary and forcible measures. It took both time and experience before the work people learnt to distinguish between machinery and its employment by capital, and to direct their attacks, not against the material instruments of production, but against the mode in which they are used. (pg 287 on marxists.org)

Getting your way of life destroyed and being pissed off at the means in which it is done is understandable. However, to my understanding of this part of Capital, the Luddites did make this mistake. That's not stupid. It's understandable if not misguided. So when I say "it literally is Luddism" I meant that it seemed like you're saying the technology is necessarily evil. Technology on it's own literally cannot be evil. It is inanimate and its application is brought about by people. When I read your comment it seemed to me as though you were overlooking this.

It's amusing to get this kind of accusation

First off, don't write like a redditor. Don't be a pompous ass who writes for the audience and just talk with me.

I'm not accusing you of any thing. In fact, my language usage explicitly acknowledges my own fallibility. I specifically used a word like "seems" to show this. That is to show that there may be a breakdown in communication rather than disagreement.