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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Hot take: If we think housing, healthcare and a guaranteed dignified standard of living are human rights then they also apply to veterans of imperialism. Maybe he belongs in a reeducation community or even in a pit but nobody belongs on the streets.

Other hot take: Schadenfreude towards low-level grunts is a less efficient tool of organising and education than using stories like these as cautionary examples of how the bourgeois state is conning impressionable youths and shouldn't be trusted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Disclaimer: I dont think unrepetant military hogs are worth saving.

Yeah I personally cant hang around here when military comes up. My close friend was in Afghanistan and literally never saw a thing, they just walked around and stayed at forts. He now is a single father with two kids with autism. He's also throughly and unmovably a socialist. We grew up poor, his father was murdered due to gang activity and his mom was selling drugs up until very recently, she's very mentally unstable.

But he should be on the street because some lefty who grew up in the whitest, most safest, lacrosse-team havingest area read a book once.

I get such a major disconnect because it seems like some people don't understand what growing up in some places is like. Selling drugs is not a better alternative to joining the military, being in gangs and that life is scary but also fucking pathetic and miserable. You're a detriment to your family and only incur more trauma to everyone you know.

Like think about it too, somehow we can propagandize a good portion of the nation to believe in capitalist class dynamics, the duopoly and a lot of the other idiotic hog shit but tricking people to fight bad guy is something you have to somehow be above. But I mean why not? I, rich white kid with options knew better, why can't the rest of society?

For a bunch of people who try to explain things materially the veteran criticism always stinks of the inability to put oneself in anothers shoes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Noticing a distinct lack of non-american shoes present in this comment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just because its not present doesnt mean I dont have thoughts about it as well. How could I possibly make such a comment and also not have sympathetic views towards the people affected by US imperialism?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's still a choice to leave them unmentioned except for referencing their status as official "bad guys" and describing military deployment there like guarding pillow forts and taking a dog on walks.

Sympathy isn't a on/off switch, plus "sympathetic views" is very vague, I'm pretty sure only outright genocidal fash would lack any sympathy for victims of US imperialism.

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