▲ 232 ▼ Portland bartender who shoved transgender woman in bathroom dispute guilty of hate crime, jury rules (www.oregonlive.com) submitted 2 years ago by sue_me_please@awful.systems to c/news@lemmy.world 20 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] neptune@dmv.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably none. The whole bathroom debate has been legally dubious from the outset. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] harderian729@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's weird. They can refuse people using their bathrooms if they don't pay, I figured denying them for other reasons was also on the table. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How could it be? Are they checking birth certificates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] harderian729@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, they shouldn't even have to check birth certificates. What's stopping a business from saying you can't use their restrooms just because they feel like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Might be part of the requirement for running a business is you have to have a restroom available. When's the last time you were in a restaurant without a bathroom? I'm sure they all don't just supply one because it'd be weird to not, instead it's probably part of the license req. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well potentially nothing? Until someone says "why?" and then it becomes gender discrimination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] harderian729@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does a business even have to answer that question? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 1 point 2 years ago If they get sued. Or are under public pressure to not be a bunch of assholes. Sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quindraco@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago In the general case, nothing. Not too long ago I was in a Ben & Jerry's that had closed its bathroom down, for example. The bartender in question here committed battery; that's the underlying crime, not denying bathroom access. The hate crime rider on top is, by definition, an enhanced penalty for thinking illegal thoughts while committing some other crime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] harderian729@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's weird. They can refuse people using their bathrooms if they don't pay, I figured denying them for other reasons was also on the table. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How could it be? Are they checking birth certificates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] harderian729@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, they shouldn't even have to check birth certificates. What's stopping a business from saying you can't use their restrooms just because they feel like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Might be part of the requirement for running a business is you have to have a restroom available. When's the last time you were in a restaurant without a bathroom? I'm sure they all don't just supply one because it'd be weird to not, instead it's probably part of the license req. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well potentially nothing? Until someone says "why?" and then it becomes gender discrimination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] harderian729@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does a business even have to answer that question? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 1 point 2 years ago If they get sued. Or are under public pressure to not be a bunch of assholes. Sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quindraco@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago In the general case, nothing. Not too long ago I was in a Ben & Jerry's that had closed its bathroom down, for example. The bartender in question here committed battery; that's the underlying crime, not denying bathroom access. The hate crime rider on top is, by definition, an enhanced penalty for thinking illegal thoughts while committing some other crime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neptune@dmv.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) How could it be? Are they checking birth certificates? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] harderian729@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, they shouldn't even have to check birth certificates. What's stopping a business from saying you can't use their restrooms just because they feel like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Might be part of the requirement for running a business is you have to have a restroom available. When's the last time you were in a restaurant without a bathroom? I'm sure they all don't just supply one because it'd be weird to not, instead it's probably part of the license req. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well potentially nothing? Until someone says "why?" and then it becomes gender discrimination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] harderian729@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does a business even have to answer that question? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 1 point 2 years ago If they get sued. Or are under public pressure to not be a bunch of assholes. Sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quindraco@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago In the general case, nothing. Not too long ago I was in a Ben & Jerry's that had closed its bathroom down, for example. The bartender in question here committed battery; that's the underlying crime, not denying bathroom access. The hate crime rider on top is, by definition, an enhanced penalty for thinking illegal thoughts while committing some other crime. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] harderian729@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, they shouldn't even have to check birth certificates. What's stopping a business from saying you can't use their restrooms just because they feel like it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Might be part of the requirement for running a business is you have to have a restroom available. When's the last time you were in a restaurant without a bathroom? I'm sure they all don't just supply one because it'd be weird to not, instead it's probably part of the license req. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well potentially nothing? Until someone says "why?" and then it becomes gender discrimination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] harderian729@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does a business even have to answer that question? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 1 point 2 years ago If they get sued. Or are under public pressure to not be a bunch of assholes. Sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quindraco@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago In the general case, nothing. Not too long ago I was in a Ben & Jerry's that had closed its bathroom down, for example. The bartender in question here committed battery; that's the underlying crime, not denying bathroom access. The hate crime rider on top is, by definition, an enhanced penalty for thinking illegal thoughts while committing some other crime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Might be part of the requirement for running a business is you have to have a restroom available. When's the last time you were in a restaurant without a bathroom? I'm sure they all don't just supply one because it'd be weird to not, instead it's probably part of the license req. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well potentially nothing? Until someone says "why?" and then it becomes gender discrimination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] harderian729@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does a business even have to answer that question? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 1 point 2 years ago If they get sued. Or are under public pressure to not be a bunch of assholes. Sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] harderian729@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does a business even have to answer that question? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neptune@dmv.social 1 point 2 years ago If they get sued. Or are under public pressure to not be a bunch of assholes. Sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neptune@dmv.social 1 point 2 years ago If they get sued. Or are under public pressure to not be a bunch of assholes. Sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quindraco@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago In the general case, nothing. Not too long ago I was in a Ben & Jerry's that had closed its bathroom down, for example. The bartender in question here committed battery; that's the underlying crime, not denying bathroom access. The hate crime rider on top is, by definition, an enhanced penalty for thinking illegal thoughts while committing some other crime. permalink fedilink source parent