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‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags (web.archive.org)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In 2015, many liberal residents in Hamtramck, Michigan, celebrated as their city became the first in the United States to elect a Muslim-majority city council. They viewed the power shift and diversity as a meaningful rebuke of the Islamophobic rhetoric of then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign. This week many of those same residents watched in dismay as a now fully Muslim and socially conservative city council passed legislation banning Pride flags from being flown on city property that had – like many others being flown around the country – been intended to celebrate the LGBTQ+ community.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not all Muslims agree with them, of course. These are conservative Muslims. "Rights for me and not for thee" is a right-wing trait, regardless of religious belief or heritage.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The vast majority of religious people are ideologically conservative though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think that's true? It might be true of USian Christians because the Christian right has run riot there for the last 40 years. But I don't think it generalises?

There is a Christian right in the UK but they're not really that prominent outside of the Northern Irish context (where they are sadly all too prominent). I think most British people would associate Christians with feeding people, and cardigans. Our Christian churches are mulling over whether to perform same-sex marriages, not trying to ban them for everyone.

And the UK Muslim vote is firmly on the 'left', of course. But I don't know how that breaks down by heritage vs belief (or centre vs actual left).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’m not exclusively talking about the USA. I live in the UK myself and I still think that most religious people are somewhat conservative. Doing charity doesn’t make you not right wing, in fact some would argue that charity is a right wing concept because right wingers believe that things like feeding the homeless should be done by charitable individuals and organisations, rather than it being something that the government should be fixing (like many left-wing people believe).

There are many different flavours of conservatism, not all of them are rabid screaming morons who publicly admit to their bigotry, many are much quieter and subtle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can say "not all" about basically anything. Doesn't change the trends

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Demonising entire demographic groups gets people killed. The salient point is their conservatism, not their religion.