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In our defense, nobody actually likes nvidia. They are a bunch of greedy patent trolls who actively stifle innovation with the way they run their business. And I don't hate windows users. I just think they're reckless with their privacy. As for mac users, I see them as cousins. At least what they're using is posix compliant. Oh, and other linux users: if you're using snaps, fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on. You're even stupider than the windows users.
I'll stop using snaps when flatpak starts fucking working on my PC (and a few other points)
what distro do you use out of interest? and are we talking not working at all or… what's wrong with them exactly?
On some of my systems it absolutely refuses to connect to flathub, it literally just hangs. On some others, flawless shit, works 10/10, well as well as flatpak works anyways.
Another huge issue is with how Flatpak handles system libraries as opposed to quite frankly the sane model of Snap -- I sometimes get big Nvidia and underlying library updates with Flatpak. This is a more systemic issue
And well, the whole sealed container model of Flatpak makes life actual living hell for development tools under it
I have (K)Ubuntu and Debian right now but this is rather universal for me
Snap has absolutely no system libraries and handles them by bundling them per package. Flatpak does kinda the same thing but a few core ones get bundled in the runtime. As far as I'm aware you can't update libraries without rebuilding the snap completely. There are a lot of things you could say about this behavior but "sane" would not be high on that list. Stable maybe. I've had flatpaks break because a bug got introduced in a runtime. Snaps probably wouldn't have that problem. But those underlying library updates are shared. You update the nvidia-opengl runtime once and it updates for steam, heroic and all your emulators. Meanwhile unless I'm fundamentally misunderstanding snaps, when a new mesa feature is released, you need to wait for the snap maintainer to update the snap before you can take advantage.
I'm pretty sure most people love NVidia, since it's the popular option, generally works, and provides features that aren't available elsewhere, both in gaming and GPU compute.
Of course, most of NVidia's advantages come down to marketing and pushing for their proprietary technologies, while avoiding supporting niche users and refusing to release their code. The thing is though, if you use Windows, NVidia is probably the better choice from an end-user's point of view.
If you've been PC gaming on windows for a long time (a much longer time than I have actually) you'll have beef with Nvidia. You'll remember what they did. You'll remember when they released a driver to specifically break PhysX if there was an AMD card installed. You'll remember them consulting with game studios shortly before the release of certain games just to put yandere simulator toothbrush levels of too much polygon in certain scenes to make sure their cards benched favorably in said games. You'll remember a shit tonne of things like that they did. From an end user's perspective, a fair amount of users have a chip on their shoulder for one thing or another that Nvidia did.
They are still scummy. I have on good authority they offer big monetary advantages to engineers working for competitors if they come join them taking a couple a trade secrets and source code along side them.
I'm not doubting you, this sounds exactly like something they'd do, but I'd still like some sauce with it (to use as ammunition in online arguments)
Here is a recent example: Lawsuit accuses Nvidia of stealing trade secrets — perpetrator busted with a screenshot of stolen code | Tom's Hardware. While we don't know for sure if Nvidia was involved in the theft, here is what my insider view brings to the picture (and here, you can trust me or not):
P.S. I realize this is not proving anything and it sounds mostly like "trust me bro". Make of this what you want.
That's the thing - none of those would've affected you negatively if you've been using Nvidia, so if you're just playing games and not following the news, you're more likely to just hear people complain about AMD this, AMD that, they broke it... But everything works fine for you
Make that if you're using Ubuntu in general.
I use Arch, btw
Not exactly. It's still used as a basis for Mint and Pop_Os. It's still a fave basis for other people's distros. And I think if you're using an ubuntu based distro it's not your fault that your upstream is stupid. To clarify:
-> PEBCAK
-> Silly maintainers using a dumpster fire like Ubuntu as a basis