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I don’t begrudge the people who don’t want to vote for him. For those who see their vote as support and complicity, I understand the reluctance. If Biden suddenly said fuck gay and trans people tomorrow, I would not be a happy camper. I would not be happy voting for a politician who hates gay people and deny them their rights.

But I would still do it. And I hope everyone who doesn’t want to vote for him still comes around in November to reluctantly do so.

I honestly don't even know what to say about this one... liberalism means voting against gay marriage for the sake of preserving the liberal democracy that... ends gay marriage...


Maybe I’m just getting old, but I have no problem seeing the vast difference between the two choices we’re going to be given in November.

No matter how much the children in the room piss and moan, there are realistically only two choices - 3rd party candidates only exist to spoil it for whomever they’re ideologically closer to of the two “real” candidates. Furthermore, Biden has turned out better than I expected - and I’m a Bernie Sanders kinda guy!

smuglord the grownups in the room have to make the hard choices and get shit done


Absolutely [I would vote for Joe Brandon]. There’s no other reasonable option. There are other options. None of them are reasonable.

commiting genocide makes you a reasonable option


And let’s not forget the right-wing trolls that shill the propaganda that feed the leftists rhetoric.

the anti-facists are the real nazis


Man I just want to vote for a better candidate not strategically vote so the worst one doesn’t get elected. Why tf isn’t Trump in jail yet

a lib gets so close to understanding

Sometimes life is about making the least worse decision rather than the best one.

and liberals can't help themselves maybe-later-kiddo


I vote for Pedro

this lib teleported in from 2004. one of the more reasonable comments too


Imagine how cool it would be if the choice was not between Donald Trump and Joe Biden but instead between Gavin Newsom and Nikki Haley.

i can't do this anymore even the libs downvoted this one I'll let you enjoy the rest... if you dare

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

CW: doomerismCall me doomer but I can't be excited for any outcome for any reason. Sure I get to see shitlibs removed and moan but honestly that's not even fun it's like twisting a knife. I can barely talk because I was a liberal less than a year ago but fuck, the lack of awareness astounds me, the inability to even consider an alternative is just exhausting to watch.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As always, I'm going to link that Roderic Day article on "Brainwashing" because it's good to try to sympathize with people and understand why they believe what they believe, even if they are completely wrong.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly, Ion't have any sympathy for the motherfuckers. If they're still stumping for Genocide Joe, four months into Biden's 'unconditional support' for Israel's genocide, four months into the HUNDREDS of hecatombs of Palestinian bodies sacrificed to an Old Testament death god, the blood is just as much on their hands as it is his. From that point forward, I don't give the first fuck what their opinions are, where they fit into the machine, or why they believe what they believe; they're genocidal monsters and deserve to be stomped out right next to the other batch of ghouls.

And if we don't, Amerika's subjects-of-empire will be the next ones in these settler crackers' collective scope.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

It feels like deep down they subconsciously know it's real and bidens a monster, and they refuse to believe it because they have too much cowardice to recognize the blood on the wall.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I won't tell you how to feel, but ultimately I think that an epistemology that lumps people in that way and is, by your own admittance, uninterested in how the machine you oppose works or why its supporters support it, will find itself far less able to actually oppose that machine. If you want to destroy it, it is in your interest to understand it as well as you can.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

The way I approach it is a calculus of 'vulnerable lives saved by ripping out the weed' versus 'vulnerable lives lost trying to save fascist souls'. Winning the heart and mind of a fascist means so much less to me than protecting the vulnerable they'd destroy; and the minority grinder will not stop at Palestine. I'm not trying to watch the pace of my community getting fed to it increase because we got jammed up trying to change the stripes on a tiger.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

I share your hatred of these smug ghouls as well as your despair that we such a small minority. NGL having a really hard time handling all this mentally. IDK how long-time comrades do it. Everything is so bleak and feels hopeless and worst of all people just don't fucking care.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

"Winning fascist hearts and minds" as if they have either. Lmao

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

The way I approach it is a calculus of 'vulnerable lives saved by ripping out the weed' versus 'vulnerable lives lost trying to save fascist souls'. Winning the heart and mind of a fascist means so much less to me than protecting the vulnerable they'd destroy; and the minority grinder will not stop at Palestine. I'm not trying to watch the pace of my community getting fed to it increase because we got jammed up trying to change the stripes on a tiger.

Beautifully said!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

As a lifelong Socialist I'm more forgiving. I know what it takes for people to see the truth, and these people are already trying to resolve enormous cognitive dissonance. Many will snap eventually.

I keep pointing out that overall we're in a good place for the left. The systems of power are under increasing collapse and each crisis drives them further into patholgy while driving people to us. A 1917 moment might not be near, but things are increasingly feeling 1905.