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The U.S. wondering why global south countries buy weapons from Russia. (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Not actually true. A lot of Russian arms sales, especially for more advanced stuff beyond guns and simple rockets (e.g. s-300, vehicles and craft) come with a written contract not to transfer to another party without authorization from Russia.

I know this because Russia was howling about some Latin American country recently (Ecuador) which had a bunch of Russian equipment considering sending it to the US where it would then be sent on to Ukraine in exchange for some US equipment and Russia was claiming it was a violation but of course they were pretty powerless to stop it. The most Russia can do in most cases of violation is simply refuse to sell to those people again but if you're already taking US arms and stuff and maybe siding with the evil empire then that doesn't matter much to you or your growing bank account with CIA deposits as a leader.

Link: https://www.rt.com/news/592712-ecuador-reverses-ukraine-arms/

Moscow had slammed the plan, saying that it would be a violation of contracts to transfer military equipment to a third party without Russia’s consent. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told Ecuadorian media that Quito had made “a rash decision” under outside pressure.

Global south buys from Russia because Russia and formerly the Soviet Union has been their friend while the US and Europe their oppressors. Russia also offers better value.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Some follow up in that deal, it fell down because russia sanctioned ecuador!!!

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/02/russia-lifts-suspension-on-imports-of-ecuadorian-bananas-after-apparent-collapse-of-us-ecuador-arms-deal.html

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

i feel like the fact that amerikkkan equipment is overpriced must be a big factor too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Russian equipment might be better

I know nothing about military equipment except for the Brahmos (Indian but the predecessor was Russian and had flew similarly) and Tomahawk missiles. The former is pretty insane to watch

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Almost as if arms industry in Russia is also privatised and ran by for-profit corporations or something

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

"Don't sell the weapons we're giving you to our enemies" holds both for purely state-owned and for-profit MICs. If anything, privatized for-profit corps have less of an incentive to force this ban. You gave your last order to the US and now you want to buy more stuff? Sure, profit is profit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

To my understanding the majority of it isn't privatized, but rather run by state-owned corporations. Is it for-profit, when being sold elsewhere? Of course, that's just good business (and no doubt the Chinese arms industry is little different- arms sales are arms sales). And there would have been no reason, even if Russia had remained the USSR, to send freebies to such a deeply compromised country as Ecuador of all places (the fact that the subject of this thread- Ecuador trying to send arms to bloody Ukraine of all things- exists should be proof enough- this is a completely dollarized country as well, let's not forget). But the development, production lines, etc... that all is geared to serve the interests of the state, not the interests of capital (hence why Russia is vastly outproducing the entire west in munitions, and why they retained such capacity till now).

In regards to suing and sanctioning Ecuador for trying to send their Russian-manufactured arms to Ukraine though- that also is just basic common sense. What country- regardless of economic system, privatization or state corporation, for-profit or otherwise, would not?