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Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war ‘supports second Trump term’
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2024
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I'm voting for Trump exactly as much as I'm voting for Biden. Saying Biden's lost my vote is like saying Trump's lost my vote. They never had it. I don't want a second Trump term or a second Biden term. I am making fun of this ridiculous black and white thinking, it's like the old "if you don't worship christ you worship satan" claptrap. It's the same kind of people who think I'm a republican because I complain about liberals. Republicans are liberals too, and democrats are right-wingers too. I refuse the either/or dichotomy between two capitalist nationalist corporatist pro-war pro-poverty anti-healthcare parties. I refuse to buy into the hysteria that your preferred corporate prostitute is going to lose. I already know who's going to lose the 2024 election. The working class.
Yeah, imma hard disagree. The Republicans aren't Liberals. The Republicans have embraced fascism and are actively trying to overthrow American Democracy. They just overturned roe v wade, they keep making workplaces less safe, our environment worse, consumer protections worse, they fight to repress trans rights, gay rights, etc. etc. Both sides are VERIFIABLY not the same, and I don't understand how you can feel they both are. Just because both sides are capitalist, doesn't make both sides liberal.
Republicans are economic liberals. I'm saying they're capitalists. I didn't say both sides are the same. Both sides suck.
American democracy has been overthrown, if it ever existed. Remember citizens united? Corporate monopoly media dictates public opinions, the best-funded candidates win elections and then enact the policy of their donors instead of serving their constituents. This is the nature of bourgeois elections in a capitalist society. The purpose of fascism is to merge corporate and state power to suppress the working class, something that both capitalist parties are hard at work doing, and very well-accomplished.
For instance, both parties relentlessly raise the DoD budget because one of our countries' biggest incomes is the arms trade. This provides a massive perverse incentive for the US to destabilize countries. Another example is how the DNC corporation will throw their own candidates under the bus if they try to challenge the private health insurance industry.
In terms of some social issues, it may be slightly better in some ways if a democrat wins, or it may not as they managed to whiff on a few supreme court seats during and after the Obama admin. In terms of being a bombable civilian outside the US, it may very well be better if Trump wins, as he's more of a non-interventionist.
The real solution is the overthrowing of capitalism through revolution and the idea that social progress is being made through elections is a dangerous illusion. There are fundamental problems with the structure of the country, and the causes of those problems fund both parties. Liberals have a bad track record of averting emerging fascism, as was the case in Germany, and as is the case today with Biden funding Netanyahu's genocide.
You understand your ideas have no influence if you don’t vote?
You understand voting isnt the only form of political action?
I look forward to helping with those, assuming they’re non-violent, but if you aren’t voting your voice isn’t being heard by officials meaning you can’t influence change. Sorry if my previous comment came off as condescending that was not my intention.
https://www.amazon.com/This-Nonviolent-Stuffll-Get-Killed/dp/082236123X
What I’ll say isn’t going to persuade you because it’s the internet, but is this really the election you want to make a grand stand on? Not exactly like one side has a treasonous lecher being propped up and banking on people like you. I get where you’re coming from and usually I’d somewhat agree, but not with trump breathing down our necks like he is
I don't know how I could make myself more clear. You won't do any persuading if you don't understand where I'm coming from, read Lenin and Marx if you wanna do that.
Biden opened up two proxy wars in his presidency. What i really want is for neither of them to win.
And all you'll get is everybody losing.
Cutting off the nose to spite the face. Genius!
Even though I'm childless and have absolutely no stake in this dog shit reality tunnel, I'm still a little perturbed by how cavalier a lot of people are with gambling about their children's futures.
We hear that for every election. If every election is the most urgent then none of them are.